PREVIO/CARRERA GRAN PREMIO DE ITALIA 2010 Votos Opciones

[lemec]

que no lemec que pedro nos va ha dejar un final de temporada buenismo veras, no pierdas la fé,

la fe que he perdido es en los suizos

[XhuaN]

Declaraciones de Pedro tras los entrenamientos:

Las sesiones de hoy las hemos dedicado a probar los diferentes niveles de carga aerodinámica y los neumáticos. Creo que hemos sacado buenas conclusiones sobre lo que necesitamos y, actualmente, estamos mejor de lo que parecemos. Ahora trabajaremos con todos los datos que hemos recogido para conseguir ciertas mejoras, incluyendo un mejor reglaje para pasar por los pianos de las chicanes.

hummmmmmmmmmm.........interesante. Este Pedro sabe más que los de Lepe (con todos mis respetos para la gente de Lepe eh!).

Mañana por la mañana mejoramos el rendimiento general del coche (de Pedro, a KK que le den) y nos colocamos 9º-10º en Parrilla. El domingo Hamilton sale desde la pole. En la primera curva se pasa un poquitin de frenada, lo justo para que los demás, habiendose fiado de su punto de frenada, se pasen tambien. Resultado: Webber se come a Rosberg y melé en la primera chicane. Pedro aprobecha y se coloca 5º con una estrategia "diferente" y agresiva que le permite acabar en esa posición.


¿Firmamos?

Un saludo!!

[tenista]

Pedro de la Rosa - 16th: "Today's sessions were dedicated to trying different downforce levels and to go through the tyres. I think we have a good understanding of what is needed and, actually, we are better than we appear. We will now work with the data for some improvements, including a better set-up for the kerbs in the chicanes."

Kamui Kobayashi - 17th: "I'm afraid I can't say much yet. I know the circuit well and I quite like it, but I had a hard day because I struggled from a general lack of grip. We have to improve that and we will."

Me parece a mi o son muy dispares ambas manifestaciones......

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<h2 align="center"> Italian GP - Conference 2 </h2>
10/09/2010
TECHNICAL DIRECTORS: Aldo COSTA (Ferrari), James KEY (BMW Sauber), Paddy LOWE (McLaren), Sam MICHAEL (Williams), Adrian NEWEY (Red Bull)


PRESS CONFERENCE

Q: A question to you all. Can you tell us about your Monza specifications? What have you changed? Are you running the F-duct if you have an F-duct?
Sam MICHAEL: Our Monza spec is just for Monza really. We didnt actually put a lot of work into it as it is only one race, so we put a lot of our effort into the next race as it pays off for five grands prix rather than one. We are running an F-duct, so it was pretty clear from our work where our wing was. It was an easy decision to run an F-duct and the rest of the package is pretty standard, so it is just really tune of front and rear wings for this track level. That is what we did.
James KEY: Similar situation to Sam really. It is a Monza specific package as it is such a unique circuit now, so a front wing to suit the circuit and a rear wing too which has also got an F-duct. We had the options of choosing either but as Sam rightly says it is the best thing to do if you can. We have evaluated it today and it seems to work, so happy with it.
Paddy LOWE: We have two new elements this year which is the much larger fuel loads than we have had before and we also have the F-duct element. You probably noticed we have been playing all the games today trying the combinations and we will make our choice tonight.
Adrian NEWEY: Same as everybody else really. We have the F-duct. It is a bespoke rear wing for around here. The front wing is a slightly trimmed down, modified version of our normal one.
Aldo COSTA: No big differences compared to the others. Two solutions to be tested on the rear in terms of F-duct and again front wing developed for here and other modifications around the bodywork but nothing else.

Q: Another question to you all. Are you happy about the new flexi-wing tests or should we have been looking more at the floors of the car? The amount that the nose moves and the floors as well.
SM: I think on the floor the new test is pretty vigorous. What they have done to create this 100 millimetres offset load means that if you had a bib or front edge of the floor that was very soft in torsion as you go over kerbs that wouldnt be possible to do anymore from Monza onwards and the front wing load test from our point of view didnt make any difference because it is only really a linearity test. There is potentially more to do on that if thats what the (becomes inaudible) deems the best thing to do. I think the floor has been tightened up significantly in my view.

Q: And you are happy with that?
SM: Yes.

Q: James?
JK: Similar situation again. The front wing was never an issue for us. As Sam says it is a linearity test. We checked our wings but it wasnt an issue, so it hasnt affected us really. On the floor it is tighter with the lateral loading test and we had to do a little bit of work just to make sure we were complying with that 100 per cent. But vertically it hasnt really affected us. It has tightened up and you can argue it is the right thing to do to be sure everyone is at the same level to a certain extent but for our side it is okay. We are happy with it and we are happy that we are compliant.
PL: I think in general it is better to have good clarity on the regulations and how they are policed. We were pleased with the changes. We have had to change our car in order to meet the new tests but we are happy with that.

Q: And the floor?
PL: That is what I mean with the floor, really. The wing didnt make any difference to us.

Q: Adrian?
AN: I thought the clarity in the regulation was fine but if there is a mood to change it is the same for everybody, so I have no problem with that. On the floor, we have had to change the front of the floor slightly to increase its torsion stiffness for this new test. It doesnt make a big difference I dont think. The front wing, that was introduced at Spa, that particular change, we didnt have to make any modifications for that because, as has been said, it is a linearity test. Our wing was linear, so there was no problem.
AC: For me it was already clear before all this saga. I dont know why this saga has been created. We disagreed about the comments that we heard. Okay, now we have got a slightly stiffer, lets say, front wing test because the references are from the reference plain and not anymore from the nose. We have got a more severe test on the front floor. We have done the modifications on the front floor that were required by the new test. But we didnt understand why this saga started, so we are still happy about what has been changed.
AN: That is really the thing. I would agree with Aldo. I dont know why this has all been started as the test has been as it has been for several years and suddenly there is a load of excitement. But, as I say, same for everybody. But I dont understand why it suddenly became a saga.
AC: We are also happy to further increase the stiffness if we want a front wing that is double the stiffness. It was discussed in the Technical Working Group to have, instead of 10 millimetres deflection, a five millimetre deflection but also engineers who were at this table they didnt accept to go for a five millimetre deflection.
AN: I think it was Paddy who suggested 10 millimetres.
PL: Yes, it was. Which it still is. It is still 10 millimetres.

Q: This time of year a lot of people are looking at next years car but also still trying to win the championship this year. What sort of developments are you expecting to bring through the next five races to the end of the championship?
SM: We have one more upgrade. We have quite a big change to the car for Singapore. We probably should get 90 per cent of that package to Singapore, maybe some of it will trickle over into Suzuka just in terms of timings. But thats it in terms of our design process. There is no aero design on this years car anymore. We stopped that just after the break, so it is just really a production loading, production making those bits at the moment. The design office has been fully focused on next years car for quite some time now.
JK: We have some more bits and pieces to come for the end of the season. We are planning to introduce the majority of those also in Singapore, so they hit four, or five I should say now with Korea, reasonably standard tracks, lets say and that will be an all over the car update. Primarily aerodynamic, but there could be some mechanical changes too. The last bits of that are being finalised now, at the moment. What follows on from that we will have to see depending on initial results but at the moment that is the plan.
PL: With the championship still wide open we will be pushing right to the end, so I cannot imagine we wont have new pieces at all of the remaining races. We have certainly got a lot in the programme at the moment.

Q: Adrian, the same?
AN: Yeah, we have some new parts for Singapore and then keep pushing. But until you find new parts you cant say what is coming.
AC: It is quite a tough moment for the company as we are working on two projects. We dont want to slow down the progress on next years car but in the meantime we want to bring bits and pieces for the next few races. We are preparing them, so there will be development planned for the last five races.


QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR

Q: (Joe Saward Grand Prix Special) James, you said that Monza is a very unique circuit nowadays. Do you regret that? Do you all regret that? Would you like to see more circuits like this and do you think they are part of the spirit of the sport rather than the stop-go tracks we tend to have these days?
JK: Personally, I think it is good. Monza is obviously a wonderful place anyway. It has got such a history to it and so on, so it is a wonderful place to come to. A few years back we had both Monza and Hockenheim which were a similar spec of car, so it was slightly easier to soak up an aero development package in that respect. Now we just have one, so it is unique. But, certainly I think you wouldnt want to change that. It is good to have events like this and at the other end of the scale is Monaco which is also unique in its own way. It spreads the situation out from what are quite standard tracks in between in many ways. I think it is good to have events like Monza.
SM: Same for me.
PL: Yeah, variety is great. One of the issues though is that as the regulations drive us into narrower and narrower boxes, then the range of aerodynamic configurations does actually get smaller, so Monza is a very significant (inaudible word) now but actually most of the rest of the races are starting to cluster together which they wouldnt have done with older regulations.

Q: (Joe Saward Grand Prix Special) Do any of you regret that?
PL: I think that is just the passage of time with development.
AC: Also, it is a positive element that there is a race that is different from the others. Otherwise if we standardise all the circuits with all the same corners I dont think it is a big challenge from the spectacle point of view. I like Monza. I like the old Hockenheim. I like the unique circuits like Spa for example. It would be nice to have more different circuits in the championship and not standardised, medium-to-high downforce circuits.
AN: I agree with that. I think variety is a good thing. Certainly if you go way back to my experiences with IndyCar circuits, one of the great things about that was that you had super speedways, short ovals, street tracks and then fast tracks like Elkhart Lake. That did give a variety of challenges to the engineer and the driver and, of course, tended to change the results about a bit which I think is the other positive about different circuits. You can get a change in results. A car which has got a very powerful engine for instance, obviously somewhere like Monza suits it. A car with more downforce somewhere else might suit that, so you do get these changes in performance.

Q: (Joe Saward Grand Prix Special) In the regulations that are being discussed for 2013, it seems like we are going in the direction of a small capacity turbo with KERS and other bits and pieces. You guys always say you build cars to the regulations, but do you think that this is the right way for Formula One to go in terms of being green or not being green? What are your views?
PL: Do you mean the engine configuration specifically? Im not a great expert on this; the engine was defined by the engine working group, working with the FIA with a lot of consultation. I think a lot of philosophy within those proposals has been driven by discussions with manufacturers and trying to promote technologies which will genuinely be transferred into the ultimate market. So the particular configuration theyve come up with is felt to be the way forward and I think Formula One should not only embrace change but actually lead it. If thats what they believe is the right direction then I fully support it.
AN: Obviously the correct thing to say is what Paddy said. I think the reality is, it depends theres two levels, first of all, do we manage to pick the regulations which truly do forecast the future in terms of road car development, and secondly, if we do manage to do that, then does the technology that goes into developing Formula One engines actually enhance road car products or not. Those are the two questions which I think both need to be ticked for it to be a justified thing. Having said that, of course, the alternative is to stay with the V8s and at some point in the future the V8s will become sort of archaic Harley Davidson-like things, so there has to be a change. Its very important to get that change right and to try to make sure that the development that then goes into the race engines is truly relevant to the companies that are involved, so that they can justify it into their overall budget, as an engineering exercise rather than just a marketing exercise.
AC: Yes, at Ferrari we are very open on new technology in the engine field, in the KERS field, in energy recovery, in hybrid vehicles. We are also quite happy to get closer and closer to the road cars or to work to introduce things that are road car relevant. Of course, our production is not small capacity engine production but its GT car production, so we would like to be closer to our brand in the research that we do in order to be a help for future development. Again, were open to discussion, quite interested. I think we need a change. If this change is right or not, we would like to discuss it. Furthermore, we would also like to discuss with our competitors and to find a good direction. To make a drastic change can be very, very positive but can also have some negative aspects that need to be considered very, very carefully before deciding.
SM: I pretty much think the same as Aldo. I think that the four cylinder turbo that theyre talking about we fully support that direction. I dont think we see it as the same change really to the sport that some people are talking about. Remember we were running four cylinder and V6 turbos in the mid-eighties and no one said well thats not really racing or thats too green. So I dont think its really going to be the same impact as what some people are potentially saying. Adrians right as well in that its hard to see in 10, 15, 20 years time that V8s are going to be the stock engine, because manufacturers are all moving away from them, so Formula One has to be careful that it doesnt get left behind. So we fully support it.
JK: Obviously as a customer team we need to consider whats important for us, but were certainly open as well. We recognise the importance of environmental technologies and how Formula One can help market and lead some of those technologies, so were open to it. I think whats important to us is obviously if the costs are kept under control, because obviously changes cost money, ultimately, and the spectacle is maintained as well. But other than that, its something that clearly needs to be done in the future anyway as has been said and were open to it.

Q: (Bob Constanduros) Is it a done deal that its going to be a 1.6 turbo or is it still under discussion? You give the impression that discussion is still going on.
SM: I dont think there are any fixed regulations yet but from the engine working group that Paddy was referring to, thats definitely the spec that theyre drafting around.

Q: (Thibault Larue Sport Auto) We all watched the first on-board camera lap of the Korean circuit. From the simulation can you say if its a real challenge? Because from the outside it seems to be a very fascinating track; whats the biggest challenge?
SM: From the maps and simulations that weve looked at, it looks like a high downforce track. It will be interesting to see if you can overtake because it looks very high load and that normally detracts from that (overtaking) but not necessarily.
JK: We have a similar prediction. Obviously its a mix of fairly long straights and high downforce sections, so its going to be one of those compromises, potentially. One thing that were not sure about at the moment is how the track surface is going to be, being such a new surface. If its particularly slippery, for sure it will be high downforce. If it grips in well it then maybe will change, but we wont know until we get there.
PL: Im afraid I really cant make any very interesting comments. I think were just looking forward to going there and seeing what we find. Its a new circuit, it has some differences but we will see.
AN: I concur with Paddy. Until we get there As James says, the traffic surface is certainly a big unknown. We know the layout but we dont know how the asphalt is going to behave at the moment.

Q: (Bob Constanduros) You didnt get any more information from the team when you were there?
AN: Not to my knowledge but the honest answer is that Im not an expert on the matter within the team Im afraid.
AC: Not a lot to say. There are things where the amount of information that we had was not great. We dont know a lot about the kerbing, we dont know about the details of the corners. We have just a little blot of the track. It seems a high downforce track. Some simulation has been done but not for sure, as you can be when you have a very well known track, so its still a work in progress.

Q: (Bob Constanduros) Question to Adrian: what was the problem with Mark (Webber) this afternoon?
AN: We had a water pressure drop-out. I dont know what the exact cause of that was at the moment.

Q: (Bob Constanduros) Another question Paddy: the on-board camera on Lewiss (Hamilton) car, particularly, either the camera or the car seems to be moving around, wanders around.
PL: I think thats in the camera, and how its mounted. The cars not moving like that. Its there to entertain! There is a bit of an issue and were just trying to get to the bottom of it at the moment.

Q: (Joe Saward Grand Prix Special) Just wondered about the engine numbers that you have a left. James, you have a particular problem with Pedro (de la Rosa). How are you going to get round that problem of not having any engines left?
JL: Yeah, Pedro unfortunately had a difficult situation at the start of the season. We took advantage of the qualifying which didnt quite go to plan at Spa, to change the engine after qualifying for Pedro, so we limited the impact on the grid position, so basically it was only two positions for him. There is a slight disadvantage to that in that we now only use that engine in a race at the end of the season but we looked at it pretty hard with our colleagues at Ferrari and it works out OK. Its a little bit tight but it works out OK. I think that at the end of the year we will have a fairly fresh engine for the last race. I think its OK.

Q: (Matt Youson Matt Youson Associates) Question about next season and KERS; does the refuelling ban change the proposition for KERS or will you look at it in the same way as you did in 2009?
SM: I think the biggest influence on KERS is the fixed weight distribution that everyone has for next year. At the end of last year, I think the KERS was quite competitive on the McLaren, and that was with a non-fixed weight distribution, so it made it very difficult to make KERS competitive, but it was towards the end of the year. And if anything, next year, its removed quite a big variable, so I think its an easy decision. Im not sure that the fuel load is a primary input to that, because everyones got the fuel load in the tank that theyve got anyway.
AC: I agree with Sam. I dont see a big correlation or a big link between the fuel capacity and the KERS position. Of course, compared to last year its a different layout of car, so you have to make other considerations and also youve got a different minimum weight, so you have to make other considerations. Also you have a different minimum weight, a fixed weight distribution, so there are some parameters that have been changed, so they are making the choices slightly different compared to last year but nothing is changing fundamentally because we dont have refuelling any more.
PL: I just agree. I think the benefit of KERS stands in its own right, irrespective of whether youre running light fuel or heavy fuel or qualifying or racing. Its the same as 2009.
AN: I would agree with that. The main thing with KERS is really that its quite a heavy system to install and it means that theres very little ballast left over, so that is probably the biggest challenge, particularly if you have a heavy-ish driver, which I think most of the people sitting here have at least one, so it doesnt make it quite a challenge.

[MisilRojo]

Pedro está claro que trabaja para Kamui. Viendo las fotos de hoy de Kamui volando por encima del os pianos, se entienden las declaraciones de Pedro :

"Ahora trabajaremos con todos los datos que hemos recogido para conseguir ciertas mejoras, incluyendo un mejor reglaje para pasar por los pianos de las chicanes.

Ahora en serio, Kamui suele dar estos recitales los viernes, no os fieis ni un pelo, que alguno todavía parece nuevo. Toda la temporada se han visto las "mejores imágenes" de Kamui los viernes con sus salidas de pista. No creo que se un kamikaze, me parece que es más frío y calculador de lo que parece. Kamui busca el límite al circuito, Pedro al coche. Son dos maneras diferentes de ver y afrontar las cosas.

De hecho en las declaraciones se ve un poco esta filosofía.

Una pena, sigo pensando que hacen una excelente pareja.

Sobre los Libres 2, yo tampoco soy pesimista. No estamos como en Bahrein a un mundo del resto. Es verdad que es de los peores viernes que recordamos desde primavera, pero la pelea estará con Buemi, Kobayashi, Alguersuari y veremos si no se descuelga alguno como Liuzzi o Petrov. Pedro tiene que empujar a tope porque creo que 13º-14º mañana es factible, y sólo calificando en esas posiciones puede haber alguna opción de puntuar, teniendo en cuenta que el coche no marcha demasiado bien, y que en Monza puede haber una carrera más bien "sosa". Sigo pensando que podemos pescar uno o dos puntitos, si mañana Pedro clasifica bien.

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[tenista]

Al tio Koba, le ha costado aprenderse las chicanes

Por cierto, gracias por las fotos Yossi.....

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No sé si se ha comentado... pero ha salido Palatoos i cia en Tv3,

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De la Rosa: "Estamos en la lucha entre el trece y el dieciséis".

Agencias - 10/09/2010 19:59

Pedro de la Rosa (Sauber Ferrari) finaliza en decimosexta posición en la jornada de entrenamientos libres del Gran Premio de Italia y manifesta que mañana será difícil entrar en la Q3 y que su lucha estará entre los puestos trece y dieciséis.

"Estamos en la lucha entre el trece y el dieciséis, para entrar en la Q3 el salto es demasiado grande, tenemos que mejorar el coche cuatro o cinco décimas para poder entrar en la Q3 y aquí habiendo cinco curvas es difícil", asegura el piloto español.

"El problema de la velocidad punta es que, al final, sí que puedes ir rápido, si vas quitando alerón, pero el problema es el equilibrio entre velocidad y paso por curva, pero en las variantes cada vez tienes que frenar antes y cada vez eres más lento en tiempo. Lo preocupante es tener que descargar el coche para tener una velocidad aceptable y ser lento en las variantes, que es lo que nos pasa", señala.

Por último De la Rosa ha dicho: "No estamos tan lejos de los demás, lo que pasa es que para entrar en la Q3 hay un gran salto. Mañana, espero estar un poco mejor, podemos mejorar el coche, pero entrar aquí en la final, va a ser complicado".

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De la Rosa: "Estamos en la lucha entre el trece y el dieciséis".

Agencias - 10/09/2010 19:59

Pedro de la Rosa (Sauber Ferrari) finaliza en decimosexta posición en la jornada de entrenamientos libres del Gran Premio de Italia y manifesta que mañana será difícil entrar en la Q3 y que su lucha estará entre los puestos trece y dieciséis.

"Estamos en la lucha entre el trece y el dieciséis, para entrar en la Q3 el salto es demasiado grande, tenemos que mejorar el coche cuatro o cinco décimas para poder entrar en la Q3 y aquí habiendo cinco curvas es difícil", asegura el piloto español.

"El problema de la velocidad punta es que, al final, sí que puedes ir rápido, si vas quitando alerón, pero el problema es el equilibrio entre velocidad y paso por curva, pero en las variantes cada vez tienes que frenar antes y cada vez eres más lento en tiempo. Lo preocupante es tener que descargar el coche para tener una velocidad aceptable y ser lento en las variantes, que es lo que nos pasa", señala.

Por último De la Rosa ha dicho: "No estamos tan lejos de los demás, lo que pasa es que para entrar en la Q3 hay un gran salto. Mañana, espero estar un poco mejor, podemos mejorar el coche, pero entrar aquí en la final, va a ser complicado".

Ojo, por que se van a jugar una plaza entre los Toro Rosso y lo Sauber en la Q1, excepto accidente o improvisto. Esperemos que no le sorprendan a Pedro.....

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de momento por delante del japo ... ya vereis como en carrera no es asi ...

Yo ya estoy empezando a preguntarme cosas sobre presiones de neumaticos porque no es normal

Ni creía en esas cosas con Alonso ni creo ahora...además, no es que Sauber vaya muy sobrado como para regalar puntos.

[Verb]

Respecto a Kobayashi, también estoy en la linea de que no debemos demonizar ni menospreciar al chaval. Es un buen piloto, que ha cometido errores de rookie y que ha tenido suerte en momentos puntuales cuando le hacía falta, pero también ha demostrado ser rápido y saber aprovechar las oportunidades. Yo no creo que sea un error su renovación.

PS: Lo del F-duck, me vais a perdonar pero no capté la ironía. Como lo había leido en varios mensajes seguidos de distintos compañeros pensé que lo ponía en serio

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Pues ya que nos ponemos a comparar la trayectoria de Pedro con la de Kobayashi yo creo que los dos realmente lo estan haciendo muy pero que muy bien, por encima del coche que llevan, incluso para mi el rendimiento de Pedro está bastante por encima de Kobayashi, el problema está en que Koba ha tenido esa suerte puntual que todo piloto tiene excepto Pedro.
No voy a entrar en los "y si no hubiera pasaso esto " o " si hubiera sucediod lo otro" porque no seria la realidad, la realidad es que Kobayashi tiene un buen saco de puntos habiendo hecho lo mismo o menos que Pedro, y teniendo la suerte necesaria en los momentos necesarios.
A Pedro le ha sucedido todo lo contrario, ha sido bastante mas constante que Koba pero en los momentos puntuales le ha faltado esa suerte que le podria haber dado un buen puñado de puntos que bien lo podrian valer la renovación.

Un ejemplo de estos casos seria Koba en Valencia donde a pesar de tener una excelente actuación se dan todas las circunstancias necesarias para que saque un buen puñado de puntos ( safty, imposibilidad de adelantar , la mentira de las gomas que són capaces de durar toda un carrera con un rendimiento optimo, etc)

En cambio Pedro sin ir mas lejos, en Spa, se pone a llover fuerte, entra a cambiar ruedas, pone las de agua, y cuando todos los equipos tenian previsón de lluvia intensa, para de llover.

Una buena actuación en ambos casos con resultados muy pero que muy diferentes.

En fin esto són las carreras, aunque personalmente creo que estan siendo injustas con Pedro.

[Verb]

para mi el rendimiento de Pedro está bastante por encima de Kobayashi, el problema está en que Koba ha tenido esa suerte puntual que todo piloto tiene excepto Pedro.

Totalmente de acuerdo. Para mi, Pedro también está rindiendo mejor que Kobayashi. Pero eso no quita para que considere que la renovación de Kobayashi es correcta. Otra cosa distinta es que considero que la no renovación (de momento) de Pedro, es un error.

Alabar a uno no implicar menospreciar al otro.

[nuevo]

Totalmente de acuerdo con los dos.

Kobayashi me parece que es muy bueno y muy rápido. Pero para nada mejor que Pedro. Otro ejemplo de lo que comentáis es la tan recordadad China, 4º y con 30 segundos de ventaja sobre los perseguidores.

En fín, sigamos confiando en Pedro y disfrutemos de él.

[Verb]

Otro ejemplo de lo que comentáis es la tan recordadad China, 4º y con 30 segundos de ventaja sobre los perseguidores.

mmm, me coges fuera de juego...¿me puedes recordar a que te refieres?

[Brian Syrup]

En TV3 han dicho que corre el rumor por el paddock que los problemas de HRT ayer se debieron a que no les suministarron suficiente fuel por falta de pago


...Y que, además de Sauber, Pedro tendría opciones en otros equipos para el año que viene.

No sé cuál de los dos rumores me parece más increíble.