Dennis, prodrive y demás rumores Opciones

[pca]

El artículo dice bien claro, en la frase que se ha destacado en negrita:

a Honda 2008, y no the Honda 2008.

Creo que el matiz es importante, igual que el año pasado Toro Rosso llevaba un Red Bull 2007 y no el Red Bull 2007.

[Damon_Hill1996]

Segun entiendo esperan llevar un Honda 2008 a partir del comienzo de la fase europea...

[Takuma Sato]

Espero que consigan, de entrada, competir, ya que con los problemas financieros que están teniendo (han despedido a un montón de gente) la cosa no estaba nada clara, y luego que el vehículo sea mínimamente competitivo, no para ganar sino por lo menos dar guerra y demostrar que Sato y Davidson se merecen algo mejor.

Es que la cenicienta de las escuderías japonesas está pasando por un auténtico calvario, y eso que como equipo me gusta, ya que se les ve muy compenetrados, lejos de las tensiones que hay en los grandes.

De todos modos, Super Aguri no es que tenga el chasis y ya está, sino que tiene un mini-equipo de desarrolladores (con lo limitado del presupuesto no puede tener más) que procura evolucionarlo y encontrar mejoras, por lo menos esto era así el año pasado, este año no sé cómo irá, con los recortes presupuestarios, que han recortado también este mini-equipo.

En cuanto al tema Prodrive, pienso que tal vez el fallo de Prodrive fue pecar de demasiado ambiciosos y querer tener un vehículo mega-competitivo, si hubiesen contado con algo más modesto es posible que lo hubiesen aceptado, y una vez consolidados, tal vez podrían haber aspirado, discretamente, a más. Tal vez aspiraban a mucho en poco tiempo. Vamos, dinero fácil, por decirlo de alguna manera. Ojo! Que es mi opinión.

Lo que no entiendo, de todos modos, es como la FIA permitió que ganaran la adjudicación de la escudería y luego no aceptó las condiciones. Se supone que cuando se presentaron las escuderías todas harían su oferta y explicarían su proyecto. No me cuadra. ¿Me he perdido algo?

[pca]

Segun entiendo esperan llevar un Honda 2008 a partir del comienzo de la fase europea...

Igual que Toro Rosso creo que tiene planificado estrenar su nuevo monoplaza construido por Red Bull Technologies con unas cuantas carreras ya disputadas, pues Super Aguri llevará un Honda 2008 cliente, tiene previsto, a partir de las carreras europeas.

[pca]

Takuma yo creo que todos los candidatos que se presentaron, por eso quizás lo hicieron tantos, proyectaban ser equipos clientes de alguien (de hecho hay dos equipos compitiendo que ya lo son). Encima con la ventaja que mientras Super Aguri tuvo que depositar 48 millones de dolares de fianza, en este caso eran sólo 300 mil euros. (Si luego no sale tampoco era para tanto comparado con antes). Quizás debían haber mantenido lo de los 48 millones... (y habrían corrido aunque fuera con el AP05).

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Por cierto esto de que tanto Toro Rosso como Super Aguri retrasen el estreno de su nuevo monoplaza..., ¿puede que sea por si acaso no tengan que comerse lo que ya lleven construido? (?)

Edited by - pca on 19/12/2007 23:08:32

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Paffett still hopeful on Prodrive plans

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, January 8th 2008, 11:42 GMT

Gary Paffett says he is still hopeful that Prodrive's Formula One plans can get back on track for 2009, having been one of the leading contenders to get a race seat at the team this year.

The McLaren tester had pinned his hopes of becoming an F1 race driver with Prodrive this year, but his ambitions were dashed when Prodrive's plans faltered on the back of a legal challenge from Williams over customer cars.

But with Prodrive still considering their options to try and get on the grid in 2009, Paffett admits he is keeping his fingers crossed that he will still get the chance to become an F1 driver.

"I have still got the links with McLaren and Prodrive and, as long as they can get the (customer car) situation sorted out, and the link with McLaren is still there and viable, then there has to be a very good chance again," Paffett told autosport.com. "And that is what we have got to look for.

"But at the moment there is no confirmation of an entry, so I have to concentrate on what we are doing now, and do the best for the team in getting the new car ready.

"Myself and Pedro (de la Rosa), along with Lewis (Hamilton) and Fernando (Alonso), did a great job in getting the car to where it was last year, and I think we need to try a bit harder to make the car a bit better this season."

Paffett admits that he was very disappointed when Prodrive had to pull the plug on their operation for 2008.

"It was a massive disappointment," he said. "I can't deny it wasn't. The Prodrive team were looking fantastic, the links with McLaren were perfect for me and I feel I had a very good chance of getting one of the seats there. It certainly was my best chance yet to get into an F1 car.

"Then, with Fernando leaving the team there was a seat free (at McLaren) and I for sure had a shot at getting in that seat too, as Pedro did. We were both looking at doing that.

"I had some testing at the end of last year which went very well. I hadn't been in the car for just under a year, but I got back in and was on the pace pretty much straight away and did some very good testing. So I gave myself the best chance I could.

"The team made the decision that they felt is right, and it was up to them, but for sure there was a hint of disappointment there. That was a bit of a longer shot than Prodrive, but still there was a chance there and if there is a chance and you don't get it then certainly there is some disappointment."

Paffett added that he hopes to get more testing in 2008 than he did last year, having already been pencilled in for some running this month.

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Tiene pinta de ser buen tipo el paffett este. Claro que el puede esperar tienen muchos años mas por delante para competir.

[KIT]

Pues como Prodrive sea equipo cliente de McLaren ... la lleva clara Paffet. Sale Max Capone y dice que esos coches no son validos... previa denuncia de Williams o cualquier otro... asi que mejor se hacen clientes de Renault o de Toyota, siempre y cuando el monoplaza sea malo de cojones y no quede por delante de ningún equipo constructor!!! Recordemos que este año cuando los Aguri ... "tiraban" tambien fueron objeto de críticas por otros equipos.

Viva la FIA, sus conclusiones y su reglamento.

Quien tiene cojones a quejarse de que Aguri lleve un HONDA 2008 pintadito de blanco?... JAJAJA si incluso los propios Aguri (Honda 2006) se los pasaban por la piedra!!!

Y todos tan contentos!!!... I para colmo he escuchado que es de pretenciosos eso de querer llegar y ganar!!!

Cuantos años de calvario hay que pasar para empezar a pedir permiso para hacer resultados?...

Demos gracias de nuevo a la maFIA y su politica de reducción de costes... y no olvidemos que si existen los equipos clientes es precisamente por la política de mierda que han llevado a cabo estos años la maFIA y sobretodo Bernie Corleone y su amiguito Max Capone.

VIVA JORDAN Y MINARDI!!!



Salu2 a todos y...
FORÃ?A PEDRO!!!

[tenista]

De aqui, hasta la proxima temporada, puede pasar cualquier cosa. Lo mas probable, es que el "proyecto" de Prodrive valla al garate.

[ABCV]

Viendo que la lista de candidatos a ser el 12º equipo de la F1 era la siguiente:

* Prodrive (David Richards)
* Minardi (Paul Stoddart)
* Jordan GP (Eddie Jordan)
* Direxiv (Jean Alesi)
* Racing Engineering
* BCN Competición
* Eddie Irvine
* Craig Pollock
* ART Grand Prix (Nicolas Todt)
* Carlin Motorsport
* Piquet Sports

Me gustaría que por un momento hiciésemos nosotros de jueces para ver a quien hubiésemos dado esa 12ª plaza.

Por mi parte, la decisión habría estado entre Minardi y ART (lo siento por Alfonso de Orleans que seguro que también tenía un buen proyecto).

Dicen que Magic es Alonso, pero el verdadero magic es Catalán y se llama Pedro

http://galeon.com/mundodelarosa/

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richards rules out Formula One team in future
Prodrive F1 project 'not financially viable'
10/01/08 16:46



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End of the road for the Prodrive F1 programme
F1's new commercial agreement means that Prodrive will not enter the sport in the near future, David Richards said on Thursday.

The Oxfordshire-based company's chief had earlier left open the option of reassessing Prodrive's plans in 2009, having withdrawn his entry to become Formula One's 12th team this season because of the 'customer car' furore.

But Autocar reports that Richards now definitively considers the Prodrive F1 project a 'dead duck,' following the finalisation of the new Concorde Agreement.

The magazine says the sport's belated commercial agreement for 2008 and beyond makes it mandatory for teams to ultimately be constructors.
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Richards, at the Autosport exhibition in Birmingham, said the clause will make it 'not financially viable for smaller teams to enter the sport'.

He added that, for a small team like Prodrive, it would be 'too impractical to be competitive.'

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Prodrive abandon F1 plans for now

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, January 10th 2008, 16:12 GMT

Prodrive have all but abandoned plans to enter Formula One, in the wake of continued resistance to the introduction of customer cars.

The Banbury-based company had agreed a deal for a supply of customer McLaren-Mercedes for 2008, but had to scrap their entry following a legal challenge from rivals Williams about the eligibility of customer cars.

Although there had been some initial hope of the team resurrecting their ambitions for 2009, Prodrive boss David Richards has now admitted that, with customer cars likely to remain outlawed, there is little hope of his team entering F1.

"The new Concorde Agreement ultimately determines that each team has to be a constructor, and the barriers to entry are horrendous," Richards told autosport.com at the Autosport International Show.

"The barrier to entry and being competitive make it virtually impossible, so I do have to question under those terms whether we will consider doing it.

"I am waiting now. There is nothing I can do to influence it any longer. I have done my best and we will sit and wait, let the dust settle and then see what happens."

With the new Concorde Agreement set to confirm that teams will have to build their own cars to race in F1 - with Super Aguri and Scuderia Toro Rosso allowed a two-year exemption - Richards said there was no way Prodrive would consider racing in F1 with their own car.

"I was very clear from the outset, and I have made no bones about it right from day one, about how we were going to go about it," he said about the customer car route being his only way in to F1. "The only reason we were going to go and do it was because the rules changed.

"Now, if the rules are different again we will have to reassess the situation. I know there is a meeting (between the FIA and teams) going on tomorrow, and there will be further discussions before the start of the season to get this clarified, so let's wait and see what happens."

Richards believes that the resistance by teams to allowing customer cars in Formula One is bad for the sport - and especially bad for its fans.

"I just think it is a folly. It plays into the hands of very large organisations with limitless resources and it doesn't serve the interests of the sport well.

"A disparity as great as we have today from the front of the grid to the back is not healthy, and the fact that a new entry is nigh on impossible also is not healthy.

"I believe firmly that the ideas and concept that the FIA had two years ago, of introducing the idea of a customer based vehicle, was exactly the right way to go.

"It would have given teams like Prodrive a competitive start, we would have introduced younger drivers to the sport, we would have been fresher, there would be a lot more impetus and that is what the public wants. They don't want a status quo year after year after year with the same people at the front of the grid."

Richards said he was not disheartened by his F1 ambitions being put on the back-burner, and said his focus was now on improving the fortunes of his Subaru WRC team and Aston Martin.

"There are a lot of other things out there that we should focus on. It is very easy to be distracted and we have all seen it before. So many people have lost their shirts on Formula One and just got lost in the mists of enthusiasm.

"I will use all my energies on getting the Subaru World Rally Team working properly and focusing on Aston Martin."

When asked if he still saw Prodrive competing in F1 in the longer term, he said: "I believe firmly that Prodrive should be there. There is no question in my mind that we should be there, but we are not going to be there without any consideration for the terms of being there."

[Raul Leiva]

No se yo si Minardi, esa especie de vuelta, hubiera sido muy acertada que digamos, Paul Stoddart tiene si experiencia pero vamos, que no lo veo.

ART, no lo veia con malos ojos, también es un grupo con experiencia pero solo en categorias inferiores.

Y Prodrive yo creo que debería de haber llegado a buen cauce. Richard no creo que sea un mal tio en cuanto a gestiones, y la experiencia en Rallies y demas le avalan (ya se que su etapa en BAR fue mas mala que buena...)

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VIVA SAN GANCHAO!!!

[Brian Syrup]

Espero que después de estas maifestaciones, acabe por fin, este desagradable culebrón...

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Why F1 is not impossible for David Richards

Prodrive boss David Richards says that starting a new Formula 1 these days is "virtually impossible". Richards blames "the new Concorde Agreement" which he says means that each team has to be a constructor. The investment necessary to get to a point where one can build an F1 car is very substantial - Richards says the barriers to entry are "horrendous" - and there is no real justification for such action if one is looking for a return on the investment, unless the F1 team is to be used for other purposes such as selling unrelated products like Red Bull has done with the old Jaguar Racing and Vijay Mallya is attempting to do with Force India. This does not mean that Richards is going to give up the ambition, which has long burned within him and led to stints as team principal of Benetton and then of British American Racing.

Formula 1 has never been easy and even if the amounts of money involved have risen constantly the ambitions of those who want to own F1 teams have not diminished. There are several course of action still open to Prodrive: the company came close to raising the money needed to begin in F1 as a customer team and so could possibly be able to raise the money to buy an existing team at some point in the future, particularly if there comes a point at which the manufacturers start to leave the sport and wish to divest themselves of such operations. The other possibility is that Richard and his partners at Aston Martin can build up the business to such an extent that it would be able to consider an F1 programme at some point in the future as a marketing process for the cars. Aston Martin is a wonderful brand, which enjoys brand values that include high performance, exclusivity, luxury, style, design, a British kind of "class" and a little of the sense of adventure epitomised by the fictional Aston driver James Bond. It is a brand that has beauty, power, style and soul. It is very much a British version of Ferrari, albeit without such a rich racing heritage. This means it is down to good management to exploit the inate value that exists. Ford has done the hard work, investing in new models and production facilities but did not have the staying power to reap the benefits. Richards and his backers are well placed to do that.

There is no shortage of wealthy people in the world today and Aston Martin can benefit from the fact that Ferrari has to limit its sales to avoid ruining its exclusive image. Ferrari production creeps up each year and the company's move into merchandising and theme parks is a sign that the owners wish to make more of the brand without destroying its exclusivity.

Aston is doing well at the moment but it is clear that new models must follow in the years ahead and that is going to cost money but the option is for the company to fade as it has several times in the past. The key issue will remain the quality of the products but Porsche and Ferrari have both consistently proved that there is a place in the market for a well-run luxury car company and Richards is a smart enough man to know what needs to be done. If the development of the company is done well, the F1 option is an obvious move in a few years from now.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19978.html

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[tenista]

Mas de lo mismo.

[ocko]

Este topic ya me da naúseas.

Metal Up your Ass !!!!!

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Puto FW

Williams silent over Baugur speculation

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, January 15th 2008, 16:04 GMT

Williams have refused to confirm or deny mounting speculation that the Icelandic investment company Baugur Group and its executive chairman Jon Asgeir Johannesson are close to a deal to take over equity in the team.

Sources have suggested that Baugur has been in lengthy talks with Williams about taking over a share of the team, but a deal appeared to be off several months ago when the company looked set to become title sponsor of the new Prodrive team.

It is understood one of the factors in heading to Prodrive was that Baugur would be allowed to take full control of the livery of the car for the promotion of some of its brands - which includes Hamley's and House of Fraser.

When Williams' legal threat against customer cars scuppered Prodrive's bid to make it onto the grid this year, the Baugur talks with Williams resumed.

There are suggestions that Baugur is to take over at least 30 percent of Williams, with sources claiming that the company is looking at taking over even more in the future. There are, however, believed to be issues relating to how much board representation it will have as a result of the deal.

Williams have so far kept silent about the mounting speculation. A team spokesman issued a simple, 'no comment' when asked about the situation on Tuesday.

[KIT]

Que bonito "Sir" Frank Williams!!!

Primero denuncia a Prodrive a la FIA, se cargan a Richards y a Prodrive, y ya puestos LE JODEMOS LA PASTA Y EL SPONSOR!!!

Vamos... UN POLVETE!!!

PACTO DE LA CON... QUE?....



Luego lees la explicación al respecto que dá Max Capone y se te desencaja la mandíbula, mientras te carcajeas y te meas literalmente de risa.

Con dos cojones!!! Aquí... Maricón el último!!!

Salu2 a todos y...
FORÃ?A PEDRO!!!