Dennis, prodrive y demás rumores Opciones

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Criticar por criticar espera que racing engineering con dinero de telefonica + repsol + santander podrian hacer un chasis minimente competivo para conseguir algun punto en un par de años.

[FormulaOne22]

Tal vez el problema de Prodrive lo hubiera tenido cualquier escuderia que hubiera salido elegida, no lo se, pero me cuesta pensar que no ha habido un claro caso de "amiguismo" entre el cantamañanas de Richards, el gangster de Ecclestone y el inepto de Dennis; uno compra humo, otro dice que se lo vende, y el tercero le pone un lazo y dice que se lo lleva de pueblo en pueblo para ganar dinerito...

[ABCV]

Prodrive a día de hoy, tiene su plaza como 12º equipo. Pero si al final no está en la parrilla:

- ¿Podría sancionar la FIA a Prodrive?
- ¿Se quedaría la parrilla con los 11 equipos actuales, darían la plaza al segundo mejor proyecto? ¿o se convocaría un nuevo concurso?.

Dicen que Magic es Alonso, pero el verdadero magic es Catalán y se llama Pedro

[MisilRojo]

ABCV no hay tiempo material para que otro proyecto ocupe el puesto de Prodrive si para ello debe construir su propio chasis.

Y en cualquier otra circunstancia que se pueda plantear, lo lógico es que Prodrive compita, ahora lo que parece claro es que no será con el chasis y el motor de la próxima temporada de McLaren Mercedes, aunque yo tampoco lo descartaría.

Saludos,
MisilRojo.

[el latigo]

entonces ¿que pasa con super-aguri y los demas que no compiten con un chasis propio?

No quiero estar libre de peligros. solo quiero valor para afrontarlos.(Marcel)

[Guest_lemec_*]

A mi me da la impresion que esta "polemica" no es sino un ordago de Richards para que clarifiquen de una vez la situacion y pueda ir a vender el tema a los futuros patrocinadores.

La posicion de Sir Franck no es nueva, el siempre se ha opuesto a este concepto de "chasis cliente" y esto desde los años 70 a pesar que el ultimo "privado" que corriera un GP lo hiciera con un choche que le vendio el ... paro ahora ya no le conviene. La entrada de los grandes fabricantes y sus "satelites" le perjudica y, logicamente, se opone.

Si Bernie le garantiza un sistema de puntos que le permita sobrevivir financieramente se dara por contento. Es a lo que puede aspirar y lo sabe. Igual que la maFIA y Berni saben que no se pueden permitir que Williams desaparezca.

Llegaran a un acuerdo (pronto o tarde) Prodrive sera McLaren y Pedrote ganara alguna carrera ... o eso espero !

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El latigo eso se sabra en unos dias

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A Prodrive, nova equipe da F-1 a partir de 2008, afirmou que não negociará com nenhuma escuderia até o assunto sobre os carros terceirizados ser resolvido no fim deste mês.

O time, que negociou durante muito tempo com a McLaren, aguarda também a oficialização de sua entrada pela Corte de Apelações da FIA (Federação Internacional de Automobilismo).

A organização de David Richards contou ao site da revista "Autosport" que os diálogos com a turma de Ron Dennis podem ser retomados se a Corte decidir a seu favor e se o novo Pacto de Concórdia permitir o uso de carros feitos por terceiros. No entanto, se isso não acontecer, o time pode não estrear em 2008.

"Seria totalmente errado afirmar que as negociações entre Prodrive e McLaren fracassaram. Ambos concordaram em estabelecer uma 12ª equipe na F-1 e o atraso em confirmar a parceria se deu pelos imprevistos relativos à nossa entrada no campeonato como um não-construtor", afirmou a empresa.

"Contudo, a nossa data limite para garantir um início competitivo e profissional no próximo ano estourou. Enquanto permanecemos confiantes na resolução do caso em nosso favor, a questão da estabilidade a longo prazo ainda existe. A Prodrive acredita que a viabilidade financeira não será possível, caso não haja uma renovação no Pacto de Concórdia", continuou o time de David Richards.

"Seria totalmente irresponsável de nossa parte empregar todo um grupo de pessoas, criar uma equipe e nos comprometer com obrigações financeiras com esses tipos de incertezas. A Prodrive permanece comprometida com a F-1 e esperamos a autorização para correr. Nesse período, consideramos todas as alternativas para a próxima temporada", encerrou a Prodrive.

[Vincent Hill]

No pueden dar la respuesta ahora, es un punto más para Alonso, seguramente saldrán: "eso no se puede hacer, no se puede utilizar un chasis cliente, pero por esta vez no se sanciona, la próxima les va a caer la de San Ganchao ...."

Como si lo viera....

[bruguera]

Este equipo es humo como las empresas que van ha montar en mi pueblo.

[revolutionman]

Pues a mí me da que al final lo arreglará todo el poderoso caballero,, ya se sabe, Don Din€ro, o des tito Ecclestone, sacando la chequera a pasear y repartiendo el pastel de forma que los que protesten dejen de hacerlo.



Las cosas no son como empiezan, sino como terminan.
Pedro, siempre contigo.
�nimo Fernando!

[loboiberico]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXCt0vKAoiE[URL-NOMBRE]My Webpage

[locodesk]

Bonito sueño el que he tenido hoy donde alonso exigia que para su fichaje por Renault llevaran a Pedro y Kovalainen era cedido a McLata .

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If making a success of a car company that in 1982 sold a mere 30 cars wasn’t enough of a challenge, Mr Richards has also set Prodrive the task of launching a Formula One team next year. The company is entering the sport with a budget of about $125 million by taking advantage of new rules under which teams do not have to design their own cars. It has confirmed a deal to use McLaren-Mercedes’s designs, but it appears that Prodrive may have hit a snag. “You happen to be here on an important day.” It transpires that Prodrive’s entry is being challenged by Williams, an existing Formula One manufacturer.

“We could race, but we can’t get the investment into the team that’s required, because all our investor partners want certainty going forward.” So there won’t be a Prodrive team in Formula One next year? “It’s still very much our intention to be involved, but with the forthcoming Court of Appeal hearing and the need to resolve a new ‘Concorde Agreement’, we have had to review it. It has forced a rethink.” And is he still committed to the idea of running the team for profit? “We have two very clear principles from the outset: we will do it to be competitive and profitable within three to five years.”

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle2658299.ece

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Rosberg offered $21m Toyota deal - report


Oct.15 (GMM) A German newspaper has disagreed with conflicting reports that say Timo Glock has now agreed a deal to race for Toyota in 2008.



The Sunday publication 'Welt am Sonntag' claimed at the weekend that while newly crowned GP2 champion Glock is a contender for the seat alongside Jarno Trulli, the Japanese team is actually keener on a different German youngster.



The newspaper says it has learned that 22-year-old Nico Rosberg, whose current team Williams is supplied engines by Toyota, has been offered a $21m per year contract starting in 2008.



Rosberg, however, remains under contract to his current Grove based team for 2008, and his boss Sir Frank Williams said a few weeks ago: "Nico is not for sale."

[tenista]

Me parece estupendo que su jefe opine "que no esta en venta". Mejor para Pedro. Aunque ya sabemos como funciona todo este circo.

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Q. Rumours have surfaced that Renault might be talking to Prodrive about supplying cars for 2008?

FB: I don't know where this has come from. We have had zero contact with Prodrive, and we are not in a position to supply another team at this point.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63329[URL-NOMBRE]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63329

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Q. About the team's drivers for 2008, when will you be making an announcement?
FB: There is no rush to make an announcement at this stage. When we are ready and we have made our decision, we will announce it. But we are in a strong position with good options.
Q. Is Fernando Alonso among those options?
FB: There has been a lot of talk but Fernando has a contract with another team for 2008. At the moment, he is focused on the championship battle, trying to win a third consecutive title. I have said before that if he was free we would be happy to have him back at Renault.

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atenzione


Prodrive face further delay on eligibility

By Jonathan Noble Monday, October 15th 2007, 10:12 GMT


Prodrive are to face a further wait on a ruling about the legality of their entry to Formula One next year, autosport.com can reveal, as the FIA postpones this month's court of appeal hearing, and rivals Williams vow to take the matter to the civil courts.

The FIA is to postpone this month's planned International Court of Appeal (ICA) hearing into Prodrive's 2008 entry for unspecified reasons, while in a separate development it has emerged that Williams are refusing to accept the court's jurisdiction.

Prodrive had hoped that the ICA hearing scheduled for October 24 would clear up the legality of their entry.

The court had been convened following threats from Williams to take legal action against Prodrive and F1 bosses if the team pressed ahead with plans to run customer McLaren cars next year.

But Prodrive's hopes that a positive outcome would remove the threat of legal action over their 2008 entry were dashed last week when Williams made it clear that they were not interested in the ICA hearing and only wanted to sort the matter out in civil courts.

Sources told autosport.com that Williams notified the FIA that they would not be held to account by the ICA's verdict. The team also made it clear they would not even be attending the hearing as an interested party, even though it was their action that caused the matter to go to court in the first place.

Although the reasons for Williams' stance have not been specified, it is understood the team feel that the matter of customer cars does not fall under the FIA's sporting jurisdiction. They feel the area is governed by the Concorde Agreement and not F1's Regulations.

This means the team would still have taken the matter to the civil courts, most likely through arbitration, even if the FIA confirmed in the hearing that Prodrive are allowed to contest next season with customer cars.

An FIA spokesman confirmed to autosport.com that the hearing was now set to be delayed.

"We understand from the Secretariat of the Court of Appeal that there is to be a postponement of the scheduled hearing," said the spokesman.

He also expressed some surprise at Williams' stance: "As regards the comments from Williams, they are of course within their rights to take this matter to the civil courts, but under the circumstances, as far as they have been presented to us, the FIA does not understand on what basis they would choose to do so."

Williams' views that the legality of customer cars are not governed by the sporting regulations does not appear to be shared by the FIA, with president Max Mosley having made clear earlier this year that he believed the 2008 F1 rules do explicitly allow them.

By signing up to the 2008 championship, Williams have had to accept the regulations. Mosley told autosport.com earlier this year that he believed Article 19 and 20 of the 2008 Sporting Regulations set out the differences between constructors' and customer teams.

"At the moment the rules for 2008 completely allow them," Mosley told autosport.com about customer cars. "They (the regulations) make a distinction between the constructor and the make - and of course the points go to the make and not the constructor. Very few people have looked at the rules yet, but they will."

Article 20 of the Sporting Regulations states: "The constructor of an engine or rolling chassis is the person (including any corporate or unincorporated body) which owns the intellectual property rights to such engine or chassis.

"The make of an engine or chassis is the name attributed to it by its constructor. If the make of the chassis is not the same as that of the engine, the title will be awarded to the former which shall always precede the latter in the name of the car."

The current row over customer cars would be swiftly settled by teams agreeing a new Concorde Agreement, which is set to define the use and financial position of customer car teams.

Talks on this matter have been ongoing for several months and may not be resolved until the eve of the season, however.

Prodrive are hoping to resume talks with McLaren about running customer cars next year once the courts have given them the all-clear, although it is understood to now be too late for them to race with the same machinery as the factory team in 2008.

[tenista]

Vamos, mas problemas y encima juridicos, si no lo he entendido mal.