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¿Alguien esta viendo la cali por internet? Esto si que es espectáculo !!!! Video en directo por internet, tabla de tiempos, elección de cámara y hasta tienen un "Compete mode" donde eliges dos pilotos y los sigues de forma simultánea .



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Enlace de la Indi: http://racecontrol.indycar.com/RaceControl.swf

Ahí lo estoy siguiendo yo que lo he sacado de www.rojadirecta.com.
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Kanaan qualifies as Tracy misses out

By Matt Beer Sunday, May 23rd 2010, 22:06 GMT

Tony Kanaan, Andretti, Indy qualifyingTony Kanaan and Takuma Sato made it into the Indianapolis 500 field but Paul Tracy failed to qualify after withdrawing his speed and then failing to improve on a highly dramatic Bump Day.

Kanaan's pair of accidents this weekend and Sato's big crash yesterday had left both on the outside going into today's six-hour session to decide the final nine spots in the field.

As both made it in, Tracy eventually ended up on the bubble in 33rd, having also started today outside the cut as he had failed to muster sufficient speed on Pole Day.

Confident he could improve his pace, he withdrew his time with 10 minutes to go but effectively knocked himself out of the race as his new attempt was slower than his existing speed. When Sarah Fisher Racing's Jay Howard did likewise minutes later, rookie team and driver combination Sebastian Saavedra and Bryan Herta Autosport were elevated back into the field despite having crashed during a practice run an hour earlier.

The initial qualifying runs at the start of the afternoon saw Fazzt's Bruno Junqueira, Dale Coyne's Alex Lloyd, Andretti Autosport's John Andretti, owner/driver Sarah Fisher and Foyt driver Vitor Meira qualify comfortably, with Tracy (KV), Howard, Mario Romancini (Conquest) and Saavedra those left feeling vulnerable.

Milka Duno in the second Coyne car, Sato in the KV car repaired after his massive Saturday morning practice crash and Foyt Racing's late substitute Jaques Lazier - who replaced AJ Foyt IV just hours ago - were all too slow to make the top 33 on their first runs, while Kanaan was still sat in the Andretti garage as his crew worked frantically to get his #11T car back in shape.

As the crucial final hour approached, Saavedra's hopes of making the field seemed to be dashed when he crashed heavily at Turn 1 - leaving him unable to respond if any of the non-qualified drivers beat his speed.

Kanaan was first to try, and although his practice laps in the repaired car had been disappointing, his four-lap average of 224.072mph was good enough to get him into the field in 30th and knock Saavedra out.

That left Romancini on the bubble in 33rd. Keen to avoid a repeat of last year's heartbreak - when driver Alex Tagliani was bumped and unable to respond, so had to commandeer team-mate Junqueira's car to make the race - Conquest withdrew Romancini's time and sent him out again. He duly produced a 224.641mph average to elevate himself to a safe 27th place and leave Howard on the edge.

Lazier and Duno's next attempts were still too slow, but Sato managed a massive improvement over his tentative earlier effort and grabbed 31st, pushing Howard out and Tracy down to 33rd.

Although Howard's immediate retaliation was not quite quick enough, Tracy and KV still decided to withdraw their speed of 223.892mph with just 10 minutes to go and try for a safer position - but the gamble backfired. A big slide on his first lap cost Tracy speed and he waved off the attempt, allowing Howard back in.

Howard responded by withdrawing his time too only to also go slower than he had previously, which allowed Saavedra - who had moved back onto the bubble because he had been bumped rather than withdrawing his time - to take 33rd place after all, giving former driver Herta's new team its IndyCar debut in the most incredible circumstances. With no more time left to respond, Tracy, Howard, Duno and Lazier ended up as the four non-qualifiers - Tracy and Howard kicking themselves for having voluntarily scrubbed times that would have got them on the grid.

The huge drama of the final half hour overshadowed the incredible achievement of Junqueira, the fastest qualifier of the day, who had just nine practice laps in Fazzt's second car before the Bump Day session, a sponsorship issued having sidelined him for all of practice and Pole Day. Despite his non-existent preparation, Junqueira immediately turned in a speed that would have got him into the top 10 alongside team-mate Alex Tagliani had he run yesterday.

Penske's Helio Castroneves and Will Power will start first and second, with Ganassi's Dario Franchitti completing the front row.

Pos Driver Team Speed
1. Helio Castroneves Penske 227.970mph
2. Will Power Penske 227.578mph
3. Dario Franchitti Ganassi 226.990mph
4. Ryan Briscoe Penske 226.554mph
5. Alex Tagliani Fazzt 226.390mph
6. Scott Dixon Ganassi 226.223mph
7. Graham Rahal Rahal Letterman 225.519mph
8. Ed Carpenter Panther/Vision 224.507mph
9. Hideki Mutoh Newman/Haas 223.487mph
10. Townsend Bell Ganassi/Schmidt 225.097mph
11. Justin Wilson Dreyer & Reinbold 225.050mph
12. Raphael Matos de Ferran Dragon 225.029mph
13. Mario Moraes KV 224.888mph
14. Davey Hamilton de Ferran Dragon 224.852mph
15. Mike Conway Dreyer & Reinbold 224.583mph
16. Marco Andretti Andretti 224.575mph
17. Ryan Hunter-Reay Andretti 224.548mph
18. Dan Wheldon Panther 224.465mph
19. EJ Viso KV 224.380mph
20. Tomas Scheckter Dreyer & Reinbold 224.261mph
21. Ana Beatriz Dreyer & Reinbold 224.243mph
22. Simona de Silvestro HVM 224.228mph
23. Danica Patrick Andretti 224.219mph
24. Bertrand Baguette Conquest 224.189mph
25. Bruno Junqueira Fazzt 225.662mph
26. Alex Lloyd Dale Coyne 224.783mph
27. Mario Romancini Conquest 224.641mph
28. John Andretti Andretti 224.518mph
29. Sarah Fisher Sarah Fisher 224.434mph
30. Vitor Meira Foyt 224.388mph
31. Takuma Sato KV 224.178mph
32. Tony Kanaan Andretti 224.072mph
33. Sebastian Saavedra Herta 223.634mph

Did not qualify:

Jay Howard Sarah Fisher
Paul Tracy KV
Jaques Lazier Foyt
Milka Duno Dale Coyne
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mensaje May 30 2010, 10:44 PM
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Franchitti dominates the Indy 500

By Matt Beer Sunday, May 30th 2010, 20:21 GMT

Dario Franchitti, Ganassi, Indy 2010Ganassi's Dario Franchitti claimed his second Indianapolis 500 victory with a commanding drive for Ganassi in the 2010 edition of the IndyCar Series' premier race.

Dan Wheldon finished in second place, as a late fuel stop meant Tony Kanaan had to relinquish the runner-up spot with just four laps to go after an epic drive from the back of the grid.

Alex Lloyd took a remarkable third place for Dale Coyne Racing - completing an all-British top three, although his position could come into question with Marco Andretti alleging he was passed under yellow.

Having dominated qualifying, Penske's race went awry due to pit incidents and strategy miscues, and the polesitting squad came away with just eighth and ninth.

The race ended under yellow as Mike Conway made contact with Ryan Hunter-Reay and had a massive accident. The Dreyer & Reinbold car rode over the back of Hunter-Reay's Andretti Autosport entry and flew into the fencing, where its back end was ripped off before it crashed back down onto the track. Conway is being flown to hospital with an injury to his right leg.

The yellow for that accident secured Franchitti's victory, for he went into the final lap marginal on fuel as all the frontrunners tried to stretch their final tank-load over nearly 40 laps.

Franchitti had been the fastest man throughout the race, leading the vast majority of laps and heading the field by a margin of up to 10s at times.

He moved from third to first within the opening turns of the race, and apart from a brief battle with Penske's Will Power early on, he only lost the lead to strategy vagaries.

With several drivers gambling on alternate strategies at the end, Franchitti was back in fifth going into the last 20 laps - but aware that none of those ahead had much chance of reaching the finish on their current fuel loads without a miraculously long yellow.

When Helio Castroneves (Penske) pitted eight laps from the end, Franchitti hit the front with Kanaan chasing him down. The Brazilian had flown through the field from his 33rd place start, but had not conserved sufficient fuel and had to pit with just four laps to go.

His stop moved Panther driver Wheldon into second after a quietly impressive surge up through the field. Marco Andretti looked set to at least salvage third for Andretti Autosport, but dropped to sixth in the confusion as the late yellow was called. The American was adamant that he was third when the caution happened and that the results should be amended.

But for now at least, Lloyd holds an incredible third position. The young Briton had been creeping towards the top ten with a very competitive race car, and as others backed off or pitted with fuel worries in the closing laps he gained place after place and found himself a shock third.

Scott Dixon (Ganassi) was never a victory threat and lost a lot of ground when he lost a front wheel in the pitlane, before finally recovering to fourth.

Danica Patrick looked set for a top 12 finish at best, until she too gained huge ground amid the late fuel and yellow confusion and crossed the line in fifth to become Andretti's top finisher.

The unfortunate Conway and his Dreyer & Reinbold team-mate Justin Wilson had both led in the closing stages as the squad tried an alternate fuel strategy, and while Conway's race came to a sad end in the crash with Hunter-Reay, Wilson was elevated to seventh as the mayhem unfolded.

Power and Castroneves were Franchitti's main rivals in the early stints, only for Power to pull away from a pitstop with his fuel hose still attached, and Castroneves to stall in the pits later on, which left them eighth and ninth in the end. The Brazilian briefly reappeared in the lead after pitting out of sequence but needed a lot more laps under yellow to make it to the finish. Ryan Briscoe crashed the third Penske entry just before three quarter distance.

Fazzt's Alex Tagliani ran in the top four at first, faded later and tumbled to 16th, before recovering to a fine 10th place ahead of the unfortunate Kanaan.

Qualifying stars Graham Rahal (Rahal Letterman) and Ed Carpenter (Vision) had frustrating races. Rahal pitted out of sequence to attend to handling problems, charged back into the top ten, received a penalty for blocking Wheldon, then got back up to third on a strategy gamble before having to pit on lap 189 as the yellow he needed failed to appear. He finished 12th, while Carpenter was a top five contender until a lack of fuel forced him to stop illegally in a closed pit.

A blocking penalty also dropped Townsend Bell (Ganassi/Schmidt) out of the top ten, while Tomas Scheckter led for a while thanks to a well-timed pitstop and looked capable of a top four finish for Dreyer & Reinbold before losing ground in the final stops. Both needed late splash and go stops too, dropping them to 15th (Scheckter) and 16th.

HVM's Simona de Silvestro was ultimately the highest-placed rookie in 13th, just beating Conquest's Mario Romancini as both all but ran dry on the last lap.

Several of the stars of the month were out before half-distance. There would be no fairytale for Bruno Junqueira, who crashed his Fazzt car after just seven laps. But he was not the first retirement - that unhappy honour falling to De Ferran Dragon's Davey Hamilton, who spun at Turn 2 on the very first lap and hit the inside wall.

His team-mate Raphael Matos showed excellent pace, charging up to third behind Franchitti and Castroneves before things went horribly wrong at his second pitstop, when a rear wheel became detached as he accelerated away, causing him to spin. The crew retrieved the car and Matos rejoined, only to crash heavily soon afterwards.

Top ten qualifier Hideki Mutoh struggled with handling problems from the outset and eventually parked his Newman/Haas car. Andretti Autosport's John Andretti crashed shortly after becoming the first man of the afternoon to be penalised for blocking Wheldon, debutant driver and team Sebastian Saavedra and Bryan Herta Autosport were just one lap down until a lap 159 crash, while Mario Moraes (KV), owner/driver Sarah Fisher and Vitor Meira (Foyt) saw their races ended by relatively minor impacts with the barriers. With EJ Viso stopping with handling issues, Takuma Sato was KV's only finisher in 20th after a difficult race on his Indy debut.

Pos Driver Team Gap
1. Dario Franchitti Ganassi 200 laps
2. Dan Wheldon Panther + 0.1536s
3. Alex Lloyd Dale Coyne + 20.9876s
4. Scott Dixon Ganassi + 21.4922s
5. Danica Patrick Andretti + 21.7560s
6. Marco Andretti Andretti + 23.5251s
7. Justin Wilson Dreyer & Reinbold + 25.9761s
8. Will Power Penske + 30.2474s
9. Helio Castroneves Penske + 33.0137s
10. Alex Tagliani Fazzt + 34.2482s
11. Tony Kanaan Andretti + 59.5957s
12. Graham Rahal Rahal Letterman + 59.9739s
13. Simona de Silvestro HVM + 1m01.6745s
14. Mario Romancini Conquest + 1m05.0219s
15. Tomas Scheckter Dreyer & Reinbold + 1 lap
16. Townsend Bell Ganassi/Schmidt + 1 lap
17. Ed Carpenter Panther/Vision + 1 lap
18. Ryan Hunter-Reay Andretti + 2 laps
19. Mike Conway Dreyer & Reinbold + 2 laps
20. Takuma Sato KV + 2 laps
21. Ana Beatriz Dreyer & Reinbold + 4 laps
22. Bertrand Baguette Conquest + 17 laps

Retirements:

Sebastian Saavedra Herta 159 laps
Ryan Briscoe Penske 147 laps
EJ Viso KV 139 laps
Sarah Fisher Sarah Fisher 125 laps
Vitor Meira Foyt 105 laps
Hideki Mutoh Newman/Haas 76 laps
Raphael Matos De Ferran Dragon 72 laps
John Andretti Andretti 62 laps
Mario Moraes KV 17 laps
Bruno Junqueira Fazzt 7 laps
Davey Hamilton De Ferran Dragon 0 laps

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84054

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Espero que Conway se recupere pronto. La semana que viene hay carrera en Texas, a ver si hay suerte y alguien se acuerda de Serviá para reemplazarle...


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La verdad es que el accidente pone los pelos de punta, ojalá se recupere pronto. Quién lo sustituya es lo menos importante ahora. Según comentan en twitter ya está despierto:

IndyCarNation MIke Conway is awake, alert and is being taken to Methodist Hospital with an orthopedic leg injury.

Vídeo del accidente:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4CCWoF-DCU

La vista desde el on board de Castoneves pone los pelos de punta. es un milagro que ninguna pieza haya impactado fatalmente en el casco...


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Tremendo accidente ohmy.gif esperemos que se recupere pronto...


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Ryan Briscoe gana las 550 millas de Texas por delante de Danica Patrick y Dario Franchitti


El piloto australiano Ryan Briscoe lideró el sábado bastantes vueltas pero esta ocasión conquistó la carrera Firestone 550 de la Serie IndyCar, del automovilismo deportivo, que se efectuó en Texas. Briscoe recuperó la punta en las ultimas vueltas tras perderla ante la estadounidense Danica Patrick y ganó la prueba disputada en la pista de 2,41 kilómetros (1,5 millas) y curvas con gran peralte.

Fue la cuarta ocasión en las últimas cinco carreras en Texas en que el coche propiedad de Roger Penske llega al carril de la victoria. El triunfo fue el primero de la temporada para Briscoe, quien arrancó en salida preferencial. Hace un año, Briscoe dominó en Texas, lideró 160 vueltas y tenía una ventaja de casi 10 segundos antes de que dos advertencias igualaran las oportunidades para varios punteros casi al final de la competición.

La reanudación permitió a su compañero, el brasileño Helio Castroneves, hacerse del liderato y conquistar la prueba. Briscoe superó por 1,463 segundos a Patrick, cuya actuación del sábado es la mejor de la temporada tras el sexto lugar que obtuvo en las 500 millas de Indianápolis. El estadounidense Marco Andretti quedó en tercer lugar en la competencia del sábado, seguido del australiano Scott Dixon, y el triunfador de las 500 millas, el escocés Dario Franchitti.


Resultados 550 millas de Texas

1. Ryan Briscoe Penske 228 vueltas
2. Danica Patrick Andretti + 1.4629s
3. Marco Andretti Andretti + 2.3162s
4. Scott Dixon Ganassi + 3.0770s
5. Dario Franchitti Ganassi + 7.5882s
6. Tony Kanaan Andretti + 8.0664s
7. Ryan Hunter-Reay Andretti + 13.9390s
8. Alex Lloyd Dale Coyne + 14.3084s
9. Dan Wheldon Panther + 15.0859s
10. Vitor Meira Foyt + 15.8250s
11. EJ Viso KV + 18.8687s
12. Hideki Mutoh Newman/Haas + 23.0449s
13. Tomas Scheckter Dreyer & Reinbold + 1 vuelta
14. Will Power Penske + vuelta
15. Sarah Fisher Sarah Fisher + 1 vuelta
16. Raphael Matos De Ferran Dragon + 2 vueltas
17. Mario Romancini Conquest + 2 laps 18. Alex Tagliani Fazzt + 3 laps 19. Justin Wilson Dreyer & Reinbold + 3 vueltas

Retirados:

Helio Castroneves Penske 129 vueltas
Mario Moraes KV 129 vueltas
Bertrand Baguette Conquest 129 vueltas
Milka Duno Dale Coyne 116 vueltas
Simona de Silvestro HVM 97 vueltas
Takuma Sato KV 56 vueltas
Jay Howard Sarah Fisher 37 vueltas


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Una curiosidad que me tiene intrigado...

¿Alguien me puede explicar que relación tiene con Lotus con el equipo de Takuma Sato de la Indy o con el equipo de F1?



Por cierto... que Sato en su primera temporada en la Indy se ha vuelto a convertir en "Huracán Sato" al puro estilo 2002 cuando debutó con Jordan, esta teniendo leñazos amenudo y empieza a haber alguna que otra bromita en el entorno de la Indy.


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que yo sepa la relacion es que los malayos estos de marras que dicen llamarse LOTUS (aunque nunca lo serán) ponen la pasta para el equipo de Indy


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que yo sepa la relacion es que los malayos estos de marras que dicen llamarse LOTUS (aunque nunca lo serán) ponen la pasta para el equipo de Indy

pues gracias TAZ no sabía q los "LOTUS" F1 Tenian que ver o metian pasta en la indy. Se que los "puretas" Lotus no se identifican con el equipo f1, pero jamas me ha quedado claro como y porque los malayos utilizan el nombre de Lotus.


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CITA(KIT @ Aug 7 2010, 06:24 PM) *
pues gracias TAZ no sabía q los "LOTUS" F1 Tenian que ver o metian pasta en la indy. Se que los "puretas" Lotus no se identifican con el equipo f1, pero jamas me ha quedado claro como y porque los malayos utilizan el nombre de Lotus.


Al parecer, habrian pedido "permiso o pagado" al ultimo descendiente vivo de los creadores iniciales. La verdad es que no recuerdo donde lo he leido u oido sad.gif


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El consorcio malayo que los subvenciona son propietarios de Proton que a su vez es la dueña de Lotus, al absorber la marca adquirieron todos los bienes,derechos de marca asi como herencia deportiva, Aunque para muchos puristas sea un ultraje si no fuera por ellos la marca hubiera desaparecido asi que es lo que hay.
Poco han tardado en devolverle el apodo de kamikaze al pobre Takuma.


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CITA(f1fansince1987 @ Aug 8 2010, 02:39 PM) *
El consorcio malayo que los subvenciona son propietarios de Proton que a su vez es la dueña de Lotus, al absorber la marca adquirieron todos los bienes,derechos de marca asi como herencia deportiva, Aunque para muchos puristas sea un ultraje si no fuera por ellos la marca hubiera desaparecido asi que es lo que hay.
Poco han tardado en devolverle el apodo de kamikaze al pobre Takuma.



¿Proton? ¿Que tipo de empresa es? huh.gif


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Adrián Campos Jr. consigue en Ohio su segundo mejor resultado del año


El piloto valenciano Adrián Campos Junior inició su cargado mes de agosto en Ohio, en la primera de las tres carreras que deberá afrontar durante este mes en las Indy Light Series. El del Team Moore Racing evidencia cada vez más su total adaptación al campeonato y a su monoplaza y en el trazado estadounidense marco dos hitos en su carrera americana.

El levantino obtuvo su segundo mejor resultado de la temporada tras cruzar la meta en el sexto lugar (fue cuarto en Iowa), rodando desde los primeros minutos en tiempos de cabeza. Es por ello que consiguió su primera vuelta rápida del certamen, superando incluso a su compañero de equipo James Hinchcliffe (segundo clasificado en la general) en carrera.

Tras Ohio, Campos Jr. dispondrá de dos semanas de asueto antes de afrontar dos carreras de manera consecutiva: el 22 de agosto en el Infineon Speedway de California y el sábado 28 en Chicago. Después de visitar estos dos trazados, únicamente le quedará por visitar Kentucky el cuatro de septiembre y Miami el dos de octubre, poniendo punto final a su primer año de competición en América.


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CITA(tenista @ Aug 8 2010, 08:03 PM) *
¿Proton? ¿Que tipo de empresa es? huh.gif


Son la SEAT malaya, antes eran propiedad de Mitsubishi hasta que la compro el gobierno de Malasia.

Tiene gracia que los sueldos de Jarno y Kova se paguen con dinero publico, ¿os imaginais algo parecido por aqui?


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CITA(f1fansince1987 @ Aug 12 2010, 03:39 AM) *
Son la SEAT malaya, antes eran propiedad de Mitsubishi hasta que la compro el gobierno de Malasia.

Tiene gracia que los sueldos de Jarno y Kova se paguen con dinero publico, ¿os imaginais algo parecido por aqui?


Ya participaron en el mundial de motociclismo, motorizando las motos del equipo de Kenny Roberts, la KR Proton
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CITA(f1fansince1987 @ Aug 12 2010, 05:39 AM) *
Son la SEAT malaya, antes eran propiedad de Mitsubishi hasta que la compro el gobierno de Malasia.

Tiene gracia que los sueldos de Jarno y Kova se paguen con dinero publico, ¿os imaginais algo parecido por aqui?

Con el dinero público de TV3 y Canal 9 se han pagado muchas fichas en el Barça y Valencia CF, respectivamente.


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-¿Cómo le gustaría ser recordado cuando lo deje?
-Como un tipo normal que le echó muchos huevos. (La Vanguardia, 07/02/2010)
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CITA(BITTER @ Aug 12 2010, 07:50 PM) *
Con el dinero público de TV3 y Canal 9 se han pagado muchas fichas en el Barça y Valencia CF, respectivamente.



Si, y otros reciben ayudas directamente en forma de pelotazos, o directamente del Gobierno o de su CCAA, y equipos de Balonmano (los casos más flagrantes) o de Baloncesto son subvencionados por sus gobiernos para alcanzar unos niveles deportivos que ni hubieran podido soñar.
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Si, y otros reciben ayudas directamente en forma de pelotazos, o directamente del Gobierno o de su CCAA, y equipos de Balonmano (los casos más flagrantes) o de Baloncesto son subvencionados por sus gobiernos para alcanzar unos niveles deportivos que ni hubieran podido soñar.



Que no hombre que no, no fué un pelotazo fué una recualifiación urbanistica !!!

Eso si en un tiempo record, tan record que va a durar mas que el de mundiales de Schumi.
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