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Mil gracias, Yossi. Con esta explicacion y estos planos, se ve claramente.........


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O sea, que según el gráfico y las explicaciones, el conducto pasa al cockpit de una forma lateral, y es el codo lo que usarían Pedro y kamui para tapar el agujero y hacer pasar el flujo de aire hacia el alerón trasero...


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Formula 1: Clean as a second team with wing trick

Sauber-wing trick is not a McLaren-copy

Clean as the first team has taken over the rear wing trick of McLaren. Only on second glance it becomes clear how Sauber was able to respond so quickly: The system is not a copy of McLaren but a self-development. We show you the differences.

As McLaren in winter testing, with its wing-trick in the competition caused a stir and the FIA in Bahrain, the system officially declared legal since it was only a matter of time, would appear before the first copies. Even though they had first thought of the top teams Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes GP. Only they would have the money and the manpower to respond quickly. If one thought.

PS: Nothing plagiarized from McLaren "

The surprise came in Friday practice for the Australian GP. Sauber was in the development of the race faster than the rest of the field. One of the smallest teams of staff. Thus it was clear that it could not be a copy. Confirmed team boss Peter Sauber: "We are not plagiarized from McLaren. That would be in such a short time have been impossible. This is our own system, and if it in principle has similarities with the McLaren, it can only mean that at the same time, we had the same idea. "

Already the air inlet for the ominous channel shows that McLaren was a model. It is placed directly not like Hamilton and Button in front of the cockpit, but on the left side box. From this scoop from the air is passed through a channel to the rear in the rear wing. There are then refined through a slot comes out to be torn down on the line the flow. The desired result is a reduction of the tricks of departure, and a higher top speed.

Air inlet and air outlet are very different from McLaren

The output of the airflow differs significantly from the McLaren system. While the slot is embedded in the silver arrows in the upper rear wing element of the leading deep clean the air through the lower main element. "We have all the time in this direction," said Sauber technical director Willy Rampf. "Therefore, the solution came to us from McLaren to the flap never in question." Because of the low employment of the main element and the dark color of the horizontal slit is barely visible in the wings.

Rampf explains the genesis of the Clean channel: "We're already researching for some time, as you can get to tear down the flow on the wing when needed. I am sure that all teams are working in this direction. We may have pushed the issue a bit further , which explains that we now already have a solution. "

Clean out research at an automatic system

Sauber did struggle at first, according to a completely different system on the same principle in mind. "We sought an automated solution. Without that the driver needs to do something. We could not imagine that the FIA allows the driver gives the command, when and where the channel is closed so that the trick works." When the association in Bahrain gave the green light for the construction of McLaren, was the starting gun for Sauber build on an existing system with modifications to the document. The only reason we were able to taste, the controlled stall as early as Friday practice from Melbourne.

Embed originally wanted to clean the driver because of concerns with the legality of not. WR: We test for a long time, how can disrupt the flow control on the rear wing. It came out a solution that is influenced to a certain back pressure, the flow so persistent that the desired effect. Without valves, no moving parts, what would be prohibited. Just depends on how big the pressure of air in the channel leading into the wing element. The disadvantage of this system compared to the McLaren is that the transition from fitting unending stream flow would be smooth. If the driver input, as he closes the circle with your knee, it's like a switch. It can then disrupt the flow at the beginning of the line. With an automatic system, it needs a certain speed it. "

Activation with hand or knee

As Sauber his idea because of the new maximum wind speed of 180 km / h could not test in the channel, it was considered too risky for the engineers, already at the first race to emerge with the automatic. The Sauber wind tunnel, but could wind speeds of nearly 300 km / h to produce, but it has recently been banned. When McLaren was given by the FIA, the Absulotion for his driver managed system, has its own idea of clean combination with the McLaren-trick. At Sauber, drivers, however, have two ways to close the loop and to provoke the flow outline. You can do it with my knee and hand.

Red Bull designer Adrian Newey is amazed how clean the retrofit could so quickly. "To my knowledge, the regulations do not allow it to drill holes in the chassis. The chassis are approved for this year. Front you can probably make do with a service hatch for the front suspension, but what are you doing back in the cockpit?" Because we would have to drill channel to the tank by the direction of air box and rear wing. And that would be illegal. "

No new holes in the Sauber chassis

Rampf explains to Mr Newey. "We simply one of the holes for the wiring harness used to durchzuleiten the canal to the rear. You are with us large enough to accommodate an additional air hose." The problem with the front air intake bypassed Sauber very elegant. The doors will open at the side box. And that is not part of the chassis. Again, there are plenty of cable ducts into the cockpit, which can divert you.

To celebrate the new Sauber Rennpremiere his wing, it can take a little longer. The premiere test in the first free practice session in Melbourne had to be unsuccessful. Both cars had technical problems and lead to little kilometers. "We were able to gather in the morning virtually no usable data," said Rampf. Disappointed, the Sauber mechanic had to break down the wing again and zurückrüsten to the conventional model. The next test is planned but already used in Malaysia for a week.

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mensaje Mar 26 2010, 02:41 PM
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Vamos, que les toca currar en otro GP para recopilar mas datos. Veremos lo que tarda la FIA en echar un vistazo, por si acaso y por supuesto, veremos cuanto tardan el resto de equipos en sacar sus propias soluciones..........


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mensaje Mar 26 2010, 05:57 PM
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Una buena intentona esta del snorkel. La gran putada es que sin test esto puede ser una perdida de tiempo considerable. Espero que no sea así.

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CITA(monza2001 @ Mar 26 2010, 05:57 PM) *
Una buena intentona esta del snorkel. La gran putada es que sin test esto puede ser una perdida de tiempo considerable. Espero que no sea así.

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Creo que los primeros libres van a ser los test de casi todos los equipos...........


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CITA(tenista @ Mar 26 2010, 08:14 PM) *
Creo que los primeros libres van a ser los test de casi todos los equipos...........


Pero eso no se asemeja ni a un cuarto de test. Realmente la prohibición de test para mi es una gran cagada. Se mire por donde se mire no tiene sentido alguno que no se pueda probar durante el año.

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CITA(monza2001 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:29 PM) *
Pero eso no se asemeja ni a un cuarto de test. Realmente la prohibición de test para mi es una gran cagada. Se mire por donde se mire no tiene sentido alguno que no se pueda probar durante el año.

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Que cosas tienes!! tiene todo el sentido del mundo.... habia que ahorrar!!! ....para gastarlo en el kers.... o era para gastarlo en el difusor.... o no, era para gastarlo en el f-duct .....o para el regalo del cumpleaños de Bernie ....no me acuerdo para que, pero el sentido era ahorrar para algo rolleyes.gif
A mi me parece una gran idea ese planteamiento de ahorro de costes, es una estrategia innovadora que creara escuela ......de hecho yo con la crisis estoy pensando en comprarme un Peugeot 908 HDI FAP y no veas lo que me ahorrare en gasolina!! laugh.gif
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Excelente fotos, Yossi.......


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mensaje Mar 27 2010, 07:24 PM
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Segun Virutas Mutua Madrileña quiere volvera la F1, me da que Pedro esta en su onda.

Dicen que van de rojo y Sauber ahora es rojo ¿no?, ademas creo que Ferrari esta completito de sponsors.

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Jo! buenísimas las fotos Yossi!!!
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De todas formas...por el resultado en la clasificación de hoy, parece que no hay demasiada mejora... hay que seguir mejorando, pero ahora hacia dónde creéis que lo harán? Siguen siendo un poco lentos, sobretodo en recta, no?
Me gustaría saber qué pensáis que debe ser lo próximo a mejorar... alguna idea?
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El coche tiene pintona, pero no sé la razón x la q no termina de explotar. Parece q tiene potencial pero no termina de funcionar. Me gustaría verlo con un motor Mercedes.


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CITA(Lance @ Mar 27 2010, 09:47 PM) *
El coche tiene pintona, pero no sé la razón x la q no termina de explotar. Parece q tiene potencial pero no termina de funcionar. Me gustaría verlo con un motor Mercedes.


El innombrable también tenía una pintaca espectacular, es más parecía una buena copia del F2001 pero no fue más que un pozo enorme en la carrera de Pedro y la tumba en la carrera de Edmund.

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El coche de momento ha demostrado más lento que sus competidores, pero sobre todo y por lo poquito que llevamos de pretemporada escasamente fiable, con múltiples problemas en los dos fines de semana que llevamos de Gran Premio. Esperemos que mañana hayamos puesto ya la primera piedra en el camino de la mejora, que no es otra que mejorar la fiabilidad del coche para poder terminar carreras.


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Malaysian GP - Preview

After a spectacular race in Australia the third round of the FIA Formula One World Championship is just a few days away. The teams continue their journey to Kuala Lumpur for the Malaysian Grand Prix on April 4.

Pedro de la Rosa: The Sepang circuit is one of my favourite tracks. It has a lot of rhythm with many flowing corners which reminds me a little bit of the Circuit de Catalunya. The track in Malaysia is physically extremely demanding, especially because of the humidity and the heat. I like driving there a lot! It is important to be fit for there. For a driver it is by far the toughest race on the championship calendar and it is also very demanding on the car. I think if you are quick there you are quick everywhere, and, as I said before, it is a bit like Barcelona and both are very representative of what we find at other circuits. This means it is a good test bench for the drivers and the cars.


Kamui Kobayashi: I have good memories of Sepang as I won a GP2 Asia race there in 2008. It is a pretty nice track - I like it. The heat is tough, but thats the same for everybody. I dont mind the heat, but I hope we dont get the same weather as during last years Grand Prix when the race had to be stopped because of the heavy rain. Malaysia is not too far from Japan and, hopefully, I will meet some Japanese fans there. The last corner before the main straight is my favourite. You have to brake very hard and get the corner right to accelerate down the straight. It has a lot of influence on the lap time, because if you dont get this one right you really pay for it.


Technical Director Willy Rampf: Sepang is a very demanding circuit which asks a lot from the chassis and the set-up. It has corners with very quick changes of direction in which stability is crucial. At the same time you need good traction to accelerate out of the slow corners, which in some cases lead uphill. The right hander before the back straight is especially tricky with its tightening radius.

We expect ambient temperatures of around 35 degrees Celsius and accordingly track temperatures over 40 degrees. Therefore you have to take care of the cooling, and this is something you also have to take into account for the set-up to avoid excessive tyre wear. The weather is rather unpredictable with the chance of rain in the late afternoon high, which certainly would make for an exciting race.
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Mas vale que aquí chute el F-duct porque sino nos van a quitar las pegatas en las dos macro rectas.

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I think if you are quick there you are quick everywhere, and, as I said before, it is a bit like Barcelona and both are very representative of what we find at other circuits.


Las vamos a pasar canutas en Sepang. wink.gif

La lluvia es el único aliado, pero insisto, si no hay tiempo para probar el F-duct...


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Even the Sauber team misses the Speed
By Florian A. Lehmann. Aktualisiert um 11:19 Uhr

No ranking in Bahrain, a twelfth place of Pedro de la Rosa in Melbourne - the balance of Sauber, after two World Cup races is insufficient. In the camp of the Hinwil racing stable there is no window dressing. "Given how the race has evolved is disappointing" on our earnings, "said patron Peter Sauber after the race at Down under.

Even Willy Rampf sought in Melbourne for explanations. The Technical Director, handing them over to his office at Sauber at the end of April the British James Key (38), explained to motorsport-total.com: was, "Our strategy is to end with a set of slicks the race. I think that we would have been eighth or ninth. We have also earned, but the wear was simply too big. "

The progress made by Renault

Ultimately, however, lags well as the lack of speed of the Sauber racing cars. Rampf knows that this handicap should be filed. "We have to improve in this regard. We always go with that car that we had in winter testing, although there are of course small changes. This was not the speed, we had expected. "

Battle is aware that "other teams have certainly made a big step, such as Renault. They are significantly ahead of us. There are three categories of cars, we find ourselves in the second". Driver De la Rosa, who at least arrived at the finish, supports this position. "We should not underestimate that other teams have improved in the last month their cars."

Time is short - on several levels

Engineer Rampf indicates that the cars have to be in Barcelona retouching. "But everyone will have Barcelona for a bigger fix. So we have to be faster, "asks the 56-year-old resident of Lake Zurich Bayer hard and intensive work by his crew.

The Swiss racing team is called for in the coming days and weeks, not only in technical terms. Also in the search for sponsors you want to make a step forward. Good or at least appealing results in midfield would be helpful. But while competitors like Williams, Force India and Renault have already spotted, is that the Sauber team is still without a meter - that is not good conditions for the self-sacrificing leader in his search for financial support. The next chance Hinwil provides the crew with their two new drivers Kamui Kobayashi, who has been his reputation as a great talent still owe a lot, and experienced driver De la Rosa at the weekend in Malaysia. A resident of Zurich De la Rosa, despite increasing pressure raises the gun is not into the grain. "We have a good team together. We know our weaknesses, and we're working on it".

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/motorspo.../story/12080568

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Una visión desde Suiza sobre la situación en Sauber. Está traducido del alemán al inglés con un traductor. Parece que el autor no culpa a Pedro ni siembra dudas sobre sua actuación. Parece que sólo da caña a Kobayashi y al equipo.


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