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Jordi G.S.
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CITA(BITTER @ Jan 28 2010, 01:42 PM) *
Pues ojalá sea Shell, según el Jefe de Ingenieros de Ferrari, Luca Marmorini, la relación duradera entre Shell y Ferrari les va a situar un paso por delante del resto en cuanto a eficiencia en el consumo de combustible.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81098


Los motores de F1 se diseñan para un tipo determinado de gasolina y de lubricantes, por lo que, aunque no aparezca el logo de Shell en el Sauber de este año, la gasolina tendria que ser la misma.

La gasolina. Los aditivos que le pongan de más o de menos ya no tienen por qué ser iguales, creo.


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No te creas, la composicion del carburante esta super reglamentada y la FIA toma muestras, creo que sistematicamente, para analizar tal composicion.

En el reglamento tecnico esta detallado.

Obviamente esto no conduce a que todos sean iguales en sentido estricto pero si bastante equivalentes.


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EL 10!!!


La piel de gallina.
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El tema de los dorsales ya comenté que no era cuestión baladí, este año estar los últimos con los nuevos delante... Además del número de escuderías que podría/pudiera/pudiese haber finalmente en la parrilla la próxima temporada. Yo prefiero en mitad de parrilla, rodeado de tus "rivales" naturales, con Williams, Renault y los de delante cerquita, en carreras apretadas, con las paradas de boxes en un puño, puede ser importante, sin contar con esas carreras donde la estrategia pueda ser factor esencial, por condiciones climatológicas o carreras apretadas.

A los amigos cerca, pero a los enemigos todavía más. wink.gif

Luego me imagino que estará el tema económico y de los derechos de TV, aunque sobre esto ya se ha comentado antes que sin firmar el Pacto de la Concordia, Sauber se podría haber quedado sin este importantísimo montante.


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Aquí tenéis la normativa respecto a la composición del carburante y las muestras que analiza la FIA.

6.6 Fuel draining and sampling:
6.6.1 Competitors must provide a means of removing all fuel from the car.
6.6.2 Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.
6.6.3 All cars must be fitted with a 2 'Symetrics' male fitting in order to facilitate fuel sampling. If an electric pump on board the car cannot be used to remove the fuel an externally connected one may be used provided it is evident that a representative fuel sample is being taken. If an external pump is used it must be possible to connect the FIA sampling hose to it and any hose between the car and pump must be -3 in diameter and not exceed 2m in length. Details of the fuel sampling hose may be found in the Appendix to these regulations.
6.6.4 The sampling procedure must not necessitate starting the engine or the removal of bodywork (other than the cover over the refuelling connector).

ARTICLE 19: FUEL

19.1 Purpose of Article 19:
19.1.1 The purpose of this Article is to ensure that the fuel used in Formula One is petrol as this term is generally understood.
19.1.2 The detailed requirements of this Article are intended to ensure the use of fuels which are predominantly composed of compounds normally found in commercial fuels and to prohibit the use of specific power-boosting chemical compounds. Acceptable compounds and compound classes are defined in 19.2 and 19.4.3. In addition, to cover the presence of low level impurities, the sum of components lying outside the 19.2 and 19.4.3 definitions are limited to 1% max m/m of the total fuel.
19.1.3 Any petrol which appears to have been formulated in order to subvert the purpose of this regulation will be deemed to be outside it.

19.2 Definitions:
Paraffins - straight chain and branched alkanes.
Olefins - straight chain and branched mono-olefins and di-olefins. Monocyclic mono-olefins (with five or more carbon atoms in the ring) with or without paraffinic side chains.
Di-olefins - straight chain or branched or monocyclic hydrocarbons (with five or more carbon atoms in any ring) with or without paraffinic side chains, containing two double bonds per molecule.

Naphthenes - monocyclic alkanes (with five or more carbon atoms in the ring) with or without paraffinic side chains.

Aromatics - monocyclic and bicyclic aromatic rings with or without paraffinic or olefinic side chains. Only one double bond may be present outside the aromatic ring.
Oxygenates - organic compounds containing oxygen.
Biocomponents - Paraffins, olefins, di-olefins, naphthenes, aromatics and oxygenates, as defined above, derived in whole or part from biological origins. For the purposes of quantification, the biocomponent contribution of a given molecule is defined as the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms from biological origin as a percent of the total
molecule, on a mass/mass basis. The biocomponent contribution of a co-produced stream is determined as the bio feedstock percentage on a mass/mass basis.

19.3 Properties: The only fuel permitted is petrol having the following characteristics: Property Units Min Max Test Method
(RON+MON)/2 87.0 ASTM D 2699/D 2700
Oxygen wt% 3.7 Elemental Analysis
Nitrogen mg/kg 500 ASTM D 4629
Benzene wt% 1.0 GC-MS
RVP kPa 45 60(1) EN13016-1
Lead g/l 0.005 ASTM D 3237
Oxidation stability minutes 360 ASTM D 525
Sulphur mg/kg 10 EN ISO 20846
Electrical Conductivity pS/m 200 ASTM D 2624
Final Boiling Point °C 210 ISO 3405

Distillation Residue %v/v 2.0 ISO 3405


(1) The maximum RVP may rise to 68kPa if a minimum of 2% bio-methanol and/or bio-ethanol are included in the fuel.
The fuel will be accepted or rejected according to ASTM D 3244 with a confidence limit of 95%.

19.4 Composition of the fuel:
19.4.1 The composition of the petrol must comply with the specifications detailed below: Component Units Min Max Test Method
Aromatics wt% 40* GCMS
Olefins wt% 17* GCMS
Total di-olefins wt% 1.0 GCMS
Total styrene and alkyl derivatives wt% 1.0 GCMS
*Values corrected for fuel oxygenate content.
In addition, the fuel must contain no substance which is capable of exothermic reaction in the absence of external oxygen.
19.4.2 The total of individual hydrocarbon components present at concentrations of less than 5%m/m of the total fuel must be at least 30% m/m of the hydrocarbon content of the fuel.
19.4.3 The only oxygenates permitted are paraffinic mono-alcohols and paraffinic mono-ethers with a final boiling point below 210°C.
19.4.4 A minimum of 5.75% (m/m) of the fuel must comprise bio-components.
19.4.5 Initially the bio-components are restricted to oxygenates. However, hydrocarbons and oxygenates (lying
outside the 19.4.3 definition) or mixtures thereof, which have been produced from biomass, will be included into Formula One fuel, provided that a suitable analytical procedure is available to verify their biological origin. Their use in F1 fuel will be dependent on evidence indicating that the supplier is genuinely developing these compounds for use in commercial fuels.
19.4.6 Manganese based additives are not permitted

19.5 Air:
Only ambient air may be mixed with the fuel as an oxidant.

19.6 Safety:
19.6.1 All competitors must be in possession of a Material Safety Data Sheet for each type of petrol used. This sheet must be made out in accordance with EC Directive 93/112/EEC and all information contained therein strictly adhered to.

19.7 Fuel approval:
19.7.1 Before any fuel may be used in an Event, two separate five litre samples, in suitable containers, must be submitted to the FIA for analysis and approval.
19.7.2 No fuel may be used in an Event without prior written approval of the FIA.
19.8 Sampling and testing at an Event:
19.8.1 All samples will be taken in accordance with FIA Formula One fuel sampling procedure, a copy of which may be found in the Appendix to these regulations.
19.8.2 Fuel samples taken during an Event will be checked for conformity by using a gas chromatographic technique which will compare the sample taken with an approved fuel. Samples which differ from the approved fuel in a manner consistent with evaporative loss, will be considered to conform. However, the FIA retains the right to subject the fuel sample to further testing at an FIA approved laboratory.
19.8.3 GC peak areas of the sample will be compared with those obtained from the reference fuel. Increases in any given peak area (relative to its adjacent peak areas) which are greater than 12%, or an absolute amount greater than 0.1% for compounds present at concentrations below 0.8%, will be deemed not to comply.
If a peak is detected in a fuel sample that was absent in the corresponding reference fuel, and its peak area represents more than 0.10% of the summed peak areas of the fuel, the fuel will be deemed not to comply.
If the deviations observed (above) by GC indicate that they are due to mixing with another Formula One fuel, which has been approved by the FIA for use by the team, the fuel sample will be deemed to comply, provided that the adulterant fuel is present at no more than 10% in the sample.
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mensaje Jan 28 2010, 03:54 PM
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CITA(Jordi G.S. @ Jan 28 2010, 01:59 PM) *
La gasolina. Los aditivos que le pongan de más o de menos ya no tienen por qué ser iguales, creo.


Correcto... No tengo claro que los combustibles sean los de Shell, y creo que esas declaraciones son un poco populistas y de cara a la galeria... los aditivos, vamos que en el barril de combustible pondrá el logo de la petrolera que sea... pero no creo que tenga nada que ver con el combustible que finalmente carguen en el monoplaza.

Me ha venido a la cabeza el GP de España del 2000 en el que si no recuerdo mal, Pedro calificó 8º o 9º con el Arrows, pero fué descalificado tras analizar la gasofa y encontrar una alteración en los aditivos de esta, presumiblemente (que lo dudo) aquel combustible era Repsol, el monoplaza de Verstappen no fue analizado y si fue analizado, no fue sancionado, se me hace bastante raro que utilizasen combustibles distintos.... y no quisiera equivocarme pero no recuerdo polemicas o sanciones parecidas en los últimos años, entorno a los combustibles.


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mensaje Jan 30 2010, 11:56 AM
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Otro patrocinador más para Sauber...

Un nouveau partenaire pour Sauber
F1 - Samedi 30 janvier - 10h05

BMW Sauber F1 est lune des écuries les plus actives de cette intersaison dans lannonce de partenaires. Aujourdhui, léquipe de Peter Sauber annonce la signature dun accord avec la marque japonaise de shampoing Scalp-D.

La présence de Kamui Kobayahi dans lune des deux monoplaces a certainement été latout principal de Peter Sauber dans la négociation !

http://www.autohebdo.fr/f1/f1/breve-25-25-...ire-pour-sauber


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Scalp-D is new partner to the BMW Sauber F1 Team

Hinwil, 30th January 2010 The BMW Sauber F1 Team is pleased to announce another new partner. The logo of the Japanese hair shampoo brand Scalp-D will be visible on the rear wing endplate of the new Formula One race car as well as on the teams trucks and garage equipment.

About Scalp-D:
Produced by Angfa Co., Ltd, leading Japanese company of cosmetics, nutritional supplements, and health food. Scalp-D is a complete line of specific hair care which plays a protagonist role in the Japanese medical hair care market. Born in March 2005, it has sold more than 1.000.000 bottles so far.

Angfas saying is to provide health and beauty to everyone in the world and with Scalp-D line the way to achieve this aim is to solve hair problems. Usually people choose a shampoo according to their hair type; the revolutionary approach of Scalp-D is to start from the different types of scalp.
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Cuantos mas mejor, mas pasta "pal equipo"

PD: Yossi, eres el p*** amo ohmy.gif


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CITA(giuseppe busso @ Jan 28 2010, 01:50 PM) *


EL 10!!!


Pues el Sauber no estaba nada mal clasificado... XD


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Sabeis alguno porque la pagina de sauber no va? http://press_en.bmw-sauber-f1-team.ch/


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lo cambiaron por media http://media.bmw-sauber-f1-team.ch/ me da que lo pondran con login dentro de poco
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CITA(` @ Jan 30 2010, 04:33 PM) *
lo cambiaron por media http://media.bmw-sauber-f1-team.ch/ me da que lo pondran con login dentro de poco

Pues ha tenido que ser hace poco porque creo que ayer entre desde la antigua...


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eso de que a ver si el coche es bonito... en fin
por mi el coche que sea feo de narices pero que corra KTKgas


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Este Peter Sauber es un crack. Va sumando poquito a poco, a ver si se cierra mañana todo con la presentación de un gran patrocinador, que iguale la presencia y cifras de Petronas.


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Actúa como un hermano marista...
Y ha conseguido que no salga ni una foto del carro.
Me tiene intrigado (algo rabioso también).
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CITA(MisilRojo @ Jan 30 2010, 05:20 PM) *
Este Peter Sauber es un crack. Va sumando poquito a poco, a ver si se cierra mañana todo con la presentación de un gran patrocinador, que iguale la presencia y cifras de Petronas.


"...will be visible on the rear wing endplate of the new Formula One race car as well as on the team´s trucks and garage equipment"

(por cierto, en esta web parece que son unos cachondos con las fotos ....que mala baba laugh.gif
http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_c...&Itemid=219
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CITA(cies @ Jan 30 2010, 05:16 PM) *
eso de que a ver si el coche es bonito... en fin
por mi el coche que sea feo de narices pero que corra KTKgas


tema Sponsors
¿al final que tenemos que comprarnos los foristas en bloque, la NESPRESSO o el chocolate NESTLE?


de momento podemos ir comprando HAIR MEDICAL SCALP-D jaja todo sea por Peter Sauber!
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de momento podemos ir comprando HAIR MEDICAL SCALP-D jaja todo sea por Peter Sauber!


Osti, 70 un bote!! dry.gif
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