TESTS/PREVIO/CARRERA G.P. ITALIA 2006 Opciones

[Vincent Hill]

La evolución del coche actual, solo le permite a McLaren conseguir alguna victoria, dentro del mundial, no sera mas interesante quedar cuartos, si el año que viene continua el tercer coche, podran utilizarlo.

Por otro lado, el año que viene, los esponsor son nuevos, querran los resultados con ellos, de nada les vale la inversión hecha este año.

Es una pena con lo que respecta a Pedro, pero es un futuro muy alentador.

[`]

El año que viene no habra terceros coches, se piensa en reducir dias de tests y "testear" en el circuito previo al GP.

[ABCV]

De momento si no me equivoco, Pedro está confirmado hasta final de la presente temporada si no me equivoco. El 2007 será otro cantar.

El tema Kimmi, pues bueno, no se si sería muy prudente bajarlo, cierto es que no está nada centrado y piensa en lo que va a ser el 2007, pero ¿sería prudente sustituirlo por Paffet?, ya que de lesionarse Pedro o Gary no podrían alinear a otro piloto al haber alineado a 4 ya esta temporada no podría alinear mas, y no creo que recorriesen de nuevo a Kimmi o a "Monty" cuando Mclaren posiblemente no contase con ellos.

Yo creoq ue en todo caso podría darle las 2 últimas carreras Mclaren a Gary a ver cual es su consistencia en carrera, pero dudo que quiten a Kimmi, ya se han cargado a Monty no creo que se carguen a otro.

Dicen que Magic es Alonso, pero el verdadero magic es Catalán y se llama Pedro

[Vincent Hill]

Pues va a ser una pena.

Sin tercer coche.......

[Verb]

Lo que es una pena es que esa noticia sea cierta. Primero pq McLaren pierde parte de su "magia" historicamente ha sido un equipo que lo ha dado todo hasta el último momento. No importa si el campeonato ya es imposible, una vistoria en un GP es suficientemente importante como para luchar por ella. Quedan 4 carreras! eso es una 5ª parte del campeonato ¿y McLaren la va a desperdiciar? Si es así me decepcionará bastante. Como ha dicho Yossi hasta con el MP4-19 (aquel hierro lamentable) fueron capaces de ganar un gran premio (en la versión b, eso sí).

Por otro lado, lógicamente me fastidia mucho por Pedro, que una vez mas se quedará sin la opción de tener un coche 100% competitivo para pelear con el resto...con las ilusiones que tengo de verlo en lo mas alto (En Suzuka, calro está).



Una de cada 10 personas sabe binario. La otra no

[ocko]

A mi me parece muy logico. Por mucho que desarrollen el coche ene stas ultimas 4 carreras, mclaren no va a ganar ninguna carrera este año. Ferrari y Renault tb evolucionan, por lo tanto siempre iran por delante.

Es una pena por Pedro, pero bueno el ya tiene su premio de correr casi medio año coo titular y ahber subido al podio.

Por mucho que se le diera bien suzuka, eso no significa que fuese a ganar alli teniendo un coche netamente inferior.

Igual tenemos suerte y desarrollan el coche del 2007 d manera grandiosa para que alonso Y Pedro se luzcan.

[tenista]

Eso de que Mclaren no puede ganar ninguna carrera hay que dejarlo aparcado. Es cierto que no estan tan desarrollados como ferrari y renault, pero en las carreras se dan cientos de circunstancias que benifician y perjudican en general.

Por que no un golpe de suerte y ganar, por que no lo puede hacer Pedro??.

Estoy convencido que de aquí al último gran premio alguna cae, el tiempo me dará o me quitara la razon.

[ocko]

Tienes razon, pero si esperamos a es golpe de suerte que quite de enmedio a ferrari y Renault, mclaren no necesita mas coche del que tiene para poder ganar una carrera, ya lo vimos en hungría que casi gana.

Pero evolucionar un coche pensando que si ferrari y alonso fallan a lo mejor ganamos una carrera me parece muy patetico para un equipo como Mclaren.

La unica razon por la cual mclaren existe es para ganar. Este año no van a ganar nada, asi que su esfuerzo tiene que estar enfocado al año 2007.

Para ellos ganar una carrera no es un merito. Lo es ganar mundiales.

Un saludo tenista

[Verb]

OCKO no estoy de acuerdo contigo. McLaren inició el año con un coche muy inferior a Renault y Ferrari y poco a poco ha ido alcanzando el nivel de estas dos escuderias, salvo en circuitos muy rápidos. SI continuasen evolucionando el coche podrían llegar a tener uno tan competitivo como estas dos escuderias (o tal vez no, pero la competición es luchar hasta el final, no abandonar cuando queda todavía una gran parte de ella).

Y respecto a lo de que para ellos ganar un GP no tiene merito, también creo que te equivocas. Ganar un Gran Premio es algo muy, muy, muy importante! Parece que ahora eso no lo valoramos porque pensamos en el campeonato pero un GP es algo increiblemente importante para cualquier escuderia (y mucho mas para una escudería campeona).

¿Por qué crees que Honda se alegró tanto con la victoria de Button?, ¿Era porque pensaban en el campeonato o porque estaban obsesionados con ganar un evento? Son muy pocos los elegidos que han subido a lo mas alto del cajón y no debemos despreciar un gran premio (aunque estemos acostumbrados a ver a Alonso en lo mas alto).

Por cierto, yo estoy seguro que Pedro con un coche similar al Renault y al Ferrari (aunque sealigeramente inferior) en Suzuka sería capaz de vencer a Michael, a Fernando, a Kimi y al que se pusiera por delante.

Una de cada 10 personas sabe binario. La otra no

[Robjuan]

Teniendo en cuenta la congelación del desarrollo de motores para el 2007 y viendo la ventaja que sacan Renault y Ferrari a McLaren-Mercedes, por mucho que nos duela, veo lógica esta medida: O sacan un coche competitivo el año que viene, o puede que estén ¡¡¡3 años!!! sin rascar bola. Así que porque no consigan nada en las carreras que quedan, no pasa nada, parece normal sacrificarlas si luego son capaces de luchar por la vistoria en las más de 50 restantes (ésto es, tres temporadas completas).

¿Que ésto perjudica a Pedro ?Puede ser, depende de su futuro. En McLaren saben el coche que tienen y valorarán las carreras de Pedro conforme a ello, no creo que le vayan pidiendo victorias sino simpley llanamente perseguir el objetivo para el cual sí hay coche: poder entrar entre los 8 primeros en calificación y luchar en carrera por un puesto en los puntos, entre 4º y 8º. Si llega algo más (como pudo pasar en Hungría), bienvenido sea y bien valorado será, pero en McLaren serán realistas y exigirán a sus pilotos aquello que sea factible.

Si Pedro no corre en 2007 (que yo creo que, si no toda la temporada, sí lo hará la primera mitad hasta que Hamilton se foguee si es que no lo ceden), habrá que reconocer que ha sido una faena para Pedro, pero es normal que McLaren mire por el equipo y su futuro.


"La F1 es un deporte de 2 a 3 y media de la tarde cada dos domingos. El resto del tiempo es un mero negocio" (Murray Walker)

[alberto torcal]

a pesar de que sean malas noticias para Pedro en este final de temporada, que parece que el pobre arrastra las desgracias de los equipos (arrows, jaguar..), creo que es una decision inteligente por parte de McLaren de cara al año proximo y como alguien bien a dicho esto puede beneficiar a Pedro mucho, eso si, en el caso de que sea el elegido para acompañar a Alonso.

si no la verdad es que creo que será muy frustrante para Pedro ver como Alonso y el respectivo compañero, en el caso de que no sea él, tienen un gran coche ganador mientras él hace el trabajo sucio probando y probando y sin haber tenido la oportunidad de tener un McLaren competitivo en las 8 carreras que corrió en 2006 este año.eso seguro tiene que quemar a uno.

espero equivocarme en esto ultimo y acertar en lo primero y ver una pareja española en el mejor coche de la parrilla.

a cruzar los dedos.

[ocko]

VERB, crees que a mclaren le merece la pena sacrificar la posibilidad de ganar el campeonato del año que viene a cambio de ganar una carrera este, que ademas no creo que la vaya a ganar, cuando hay dos equipos luchando a muerte.

Yo entiendo que esto nos duela pq esta pedro, pero seguro que si confirmaran a Pedro para 2007 firmariamos todos para que parasen el mp4/21 y se centrasen en prepararle a Pedor un cochazo para 2007.

Ganar una carrera es importante, no cabe duda, pero hay que hacer una valoracion global de la situacion y creo que es una decision ganadora.

Ademas de que pienso que este mclaren tiene poco mas que exprimir en cuanto al motor, que es de lo que carece este año.

Un saludo verb, no podias estar mas en desacuerdo conmigo

[Gordongekkko]

The Race of Champions

In recent years, it's been quite rare to see the championship contenders actually race head to head on track, even when the points gap was narrow. Yet the Turkish Grand Prix served another memorable battle between Michael Schumacher and Fernando Alonso, which took both men to their utmost limit - and beyond. Adam Cooper analyses the race of the champions

By Adam Cooper
autosport.com contributing writer


A season is about 18 races, but the Turkish Grand Prix could prove to be the decisive factor in the outcome of the 2006 title battle.

When Michael Schumacher's initial second place became third behind rival Fernando Alonso, the German in effect lost four rather than just two points, because that's the real swing represented by their change of position. And at this stage of the season, that is a very significant margin.

At the start of the weekend it looked as though Ferrari would have a massive advantage over Renault. The Bridgestone tyres seemed to be spot-on, and Renault's choice of the softer Michelin didn't pay off. Taking a good look at how other Michelin runners performed - there is a genuine pooling of knowledge between the four works teams - Renault were confident that the harder tyre would be a good alternative. Despite apparently wasting a day by focusing on the harder tyre, Renault soon caught up.

"We lost a little bit on Friday," admitted Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds, "But we had a really good day on Saturday. With just a couple of changes it worked really well, so we didn't lose as much as we might have done."

Nevertheless, there was no way that Renault could match Ferrari's one-lap pace, and the advantage was such that it seemed that the red cars could annex the front row and still have a fuel load to run further in the race.

Except thanks to the safety car, we never saw how the fuel mileage would have unfolded, and the Ferraris didn't line up in their expected order.

Schumacher simply got it wrong in qualifying, making a big mistake on his first set of new tyres and a slightly less serious one on his second, from which he still managed to recover second place. Stuck on the dirty side of the grid, and with both Renaults behind him, he was always going to have an exciting first corner.

Pole-sitter Felipe Massa couldn't exactly move over and say 'After you', as the Renaults were bound to be right there, and he was probably quite surprised at how close Schumacher got to him, the German having successfully edged out the blue and yellow cars.


Fernando Alonso and Michael Schumacher after qualifying for the Turkish GP © XPB/LAT
Ferrari had been prepared for Michael to lose a place to Alonso off the line, so to keep him in front was a real bonus. Even better, both 248 F1s pulled away from the Spaniard with apparent ease.

It was something of a surprise to see Schumacher drop behind his teammate, even allowing for the likely difference in fuel loads. But there's no doubt that the Ferraris would have swapped positions at or around the first stops.

The gap had opened up to 3.6 seconds by lap 7, but then Michael began to reel his teammate in, slowly but surely. Over successive laps, it came down to 3.4 seconds, 3.2, 2.8, 2.5, 2.2 and then on, what turned out to be an unlucky 13, 1.9 seconds. Massa's pitstop was fast approaching, and Schumacher's was to follow it.

All he had to do was have Massa in his sights and they would neatly change positions. It worked perfectly at the first stop at Indianapolis, after all, although funnily enough Schumacher stopped first on that occasion. There was almost a place change too at Hockenheim, although Massa dutifully let Michael by and slipped behind.

Things looked pretty good at this stage for Ferrari, but there was one thing that could upset the apple cart. On the grid, I bumped into Ferrari's strategy guru Luca Baldisserri, Ross Brawn's main ideas man. Pointing at the two Renaults I said that all they needed was a safety car to screw everything up for Ferrari. Well aware of that possibility, he smiled.

My thinking was that with Istanbul's wide run-off areas we might see a car stranded far away from the marshals, and that's more or less what happened, although I thought a collision would be the more likely trigger.

Renault's stroke of luck

Everything changed when Tonio Liuzzi spun at the first corner. It was incidentally a result not of driver error, but a traction control glitch that gave him little chance of recovery. The system gremlin also contrived to stall the car even before he had stopped moving.

Anyway, the end result was that he was stuck pretty much on the racing line between the first and second turns, and without doubt, it was a hazardous location. Up in race control, Charlie Whiting and Herbie Blash had heard reports of debris at Turns 4, 8 and 11 - passed on to them from the drivers via the teams - and they were thus perhaps more open to the use of the safety car than they might otherwise have been.

They duly called for its deployment. Just as Bernd Maylander swept out of the pitlane and on to the track, the marshals were already pushing the stranded car out of harm's way. Within a matter of seconds, it was safely tucked away behind the barriers. So now we had a safety car looking for the leader and the incident already cleared up.


Giancarlo Fisichella spins behind Alonso and Schumacher at the start of the race © XPB/LAT
From where I was standing, on the inside of Turn 1, it certainly looked a little unnecessary, but to be fair the SC boards went out a few seconds before the Mercedes went past me, and that time was just enough to give the marshals tackling the Toro Rosso a little extra protection from oncoming cars.

My first thought was that the safety car deployment would at least shut up those critics who complain that the FIA favours Ferrari and/or a closer title fight, because this time the Scuderia was obviously going to be the big loser. Funnily enough, after the race, one Renault insider pointed to a supposed delay in putting the Mercedes out as further evidence that said bias does indeed exist. There's no pleasing some people...

For anyone who had qualified at the sharp end of the top 10, and who had started with a compromised fuel load, a stop at this point in the race was a no-brainer. And that's where it became difficult for Ferrari.

In such circumstances, a stacked double stop is the only solution, but the team were in the unexpected position of having the cars the 'wrong' way round. Alonso was a useful 10.7 seconds behind Schumacher at the end of lap 13, but it was obvious to the team that there still was not going to be enough time to get both cars in and out of the pits before Alonso jumped the German.

After the race, many people asked the question why the cars hadn't traded position as they raced back to the pits. Well, it's pretty clear that overtaking isn't allowed under the safety car.

But once the cars arrived at the pit there was nothing to stop the team leaving Massa to one side, servicing Michael, and then pushing the Brazilian into the pit box. He would obviously have dropped to third, but Jenson Button was another six seconds behind Alonso, so even allowing for a bit of chaos and confusion, Felipe wouldn't have dropped back behind the Honda.

It was would have been a perfectly legitimate trick to pull, and in the tight circumstances of the championship, I think many people would have understood why they did it. Some may even have cheered it as a strategic masterstroke. But a lot of other folk would not have been very sympathetic.

What goes around...

Since the infamous lead swap in Austria in 2002, Ferrari have been paranoid about being seen to employ obvious gamesmanship to help Michael's cause. In Hungary, there was a clear opportunity to 'retire' Massa just after Schumacher's demise three laps from home, in effect giving an extra point to the title chaser. Of course, parking a healthy car is frowned upon, as it has to be assumed you are trying to earn a new engine for the next race, so that could have got a bit messy. But it could have been done.


Alonso emerges from the pitstop ahead of Schumacher during the safety car period © LAT
On that occasion Ferrari did the decent thing, and they did the same in Turkey by making Schumacher wait and not compromising Massa's race. Would Renault or McLaren have done the same in identical circumstances, with every point worth so much - and perhaps fewer concerns about public opinion to worry about? We'll never know.

Ferrari are still paying the price for their short-sighted actions at the A1-Ring. What upset everyone most at the time was that the race was in May, Schumacher already had a huge championship lead, and gifting him two extra points at the expense of Rubens Barrichello seemed so unnecessary. Strange to say it, but a silly decision taken four years ago could yet cost Michael the 2006 title.

Ferrari's technical director Ross Brawn admitted that there wasn't much else the team could do: "You're not allowed to overtake under the safety car, and I think swapping cars in the pitlane might not have been too popular. So I don't think there was, no."

At his regular post-race press gathering, team principal Jean Todt pointed out that had the team done something really controversial, he might have had to face five times as many questioners...

As the man with the ultimate say in such circumstances, Todt may well have thought twice about putting Massa in the sort of situation he was always happy to put Eddie Irvine and Barrichello in. He has a special relationship with Felipe, like that of a second father, and his son is not just the Brazilian's manager, but one of his best mates.

There was also no denying that Massa was ahead of his senior teammate on pure performance, and to deprive him of his hard-earned advantage in such a blatant manner might not have been seen as acceptable this time around.

The other angle to the story was that Ferrari had every reason to expect that Schumacher could recover his second place fair and square. In just 13 laps he had pulled 10 seconds clear of Alonso.

The team naturally assumed that once the safety car went away, the German would have had the pace to sit on Alonso's tail, and possibly even find a way past. If he couldn't do it on the track, he would do it by stopping later and putting in some suitably quick laps. That still might have been tight, depending on Fernando's pace after taking on fuel, but it should have worked.

In other words, at the time leaving Massa in front in the pits was not the disaster it appeared to be later on.

Michael drops the (Turn 8) ball


Michael Schumacher chases Fernando Alonso in the final stint of the Turkish GP © XPB/LAT
What Ferrari didn't factor in of course was Schumacher's unexpected loss of form on his second set of tyres. On the first flying lap after the safety car, the Ferrari driver lost a full second to Alonso - some of that might have been down to the need to get past the lapped Nick Heidfeld - and from then on the Renault driver edged away by 0.3 seconds there, 0.2 seconds there. It soon added up to a significant margin, and as ever tyres were the decisive factor.

"They blistered, but I'm not sure when," said Brawn after the race. "It just didn't feel that great on the second set. We don't know when that happened. When he needed to push, obviously the pace wasn't there."

It wasn't just that Schumacher had problems, but Alonso had simply got quicker, as he noted after the race: "I think the first set of tyres I put on the car had a little bit of front graining and I was a bit worried for the next stints, but I think I started with new tyres and that was the problem. Then, in the stints, in the pitstops, with scrubbed tyres, it was much more consistent."

After a while the gap stabilised, and Schumacher lost just the odd tenth, but in order to match Alonso's times, the Ferrari ace was really on the limit. On lap 28 he ran wide at Turn 8. Interestingly, that lap was also the fastest Alonso had done up to that point, and faster than his previous lap by nearly half a second. Was Schumacher trying just a little bit too hard to maintain the gap to the car he still had in his sights?

"The second set of tyres for some reason blistered," said Brawn, "So Michael was struggling with them. If you look at the pace of Felipe in that middle part of the race, Michael wasn't able to hold the pace. He was trying to push and he went off in Turn 8."

On that fateful lap 28, the gap increased from 3.6 seconds to 8.3 seconds, a differential that must have been extremely demoralising for Schumacher. Nevertheless, he was soon lapping even quicker than before, but he was always just fractions slower than his rival. The tide turned on lap 34, when he began to consistently chip away at Alonso's advantage before the Spaniard came in for his pitstop on lap 39.

Schumacher still had another four full laps of fuel on board, and he did his very best to negate Alonso's advantage. But there was never going to be enough time.

"I think he was quicker, but you've got to be a lot quicker to do anything," said Brawn. "We obviously went longer than Fernando with the fuel, so we were hoping that Michael would get a bit of a window in the second stint.

"We didn't know how much longer, but we hoped, and he did, but unfortunately the tyres had blistered and there was nothing left to push on, so he wasn't able to take advantage of that little gap, and he had his mistake at Turn 8. So it was a combination of everything."


Fernando Alonso celebrates second place on the podium of the Turkish GP © Reuters
As he charged out of the pits on lap 43, Schumacher could see Alonso rounding the first corner. You could sense the frustration in the cockpit. He had a huge wobble in the tightening pit exit, which he somehow managed to catch. Just as well, as a trip over the white line would have been very embarrassing...

It was so, so close. Next time round we got the real picture - Schumacher was just a second behind Alonso, with 13 (there's that number again) laps to go. After the race, someone asked Michael if his Turn 8 moment had cost him second place, and he didn't duck the issue: "I think you can say that if you want to, yeah."

That last part of the race was gripping, as the gap ebbed and flowed and Alonso ensured that the door remained firmly shut. All the while he was playing with the rev limit, using a little more power as and when he needed to. It was a brilliant defensive performance from a man with an ever so slightly slower package, and there was little Schumacher could do.

A passing move, even a botched one, would have been great entertainment. But Schumacher had more to risk than Alonso, and just as at Imola last year - when the German really had nothing to lose and still didn't look like getting past - he almost seemed to be a little out-psyched by the Spaniard.

Symonds regarded this particular second place as a win, and in the sense that Alonso made that two-point gain over his rival, it was.

We've also had two races in a row where the title contenders have run together on the track, and that really is good news. In recent times, even in the years when we've had close title battles, it's been rare to see the main guys at each other's throats. Let's hope we get more of the same over the next four races.

Brawn certainly didn't feel that Schumacher's mistake was a sign that the pressure is getting to him: "I think he was pushing hard with a difficult car. We know he's a great driver, and I think there are still lots of opportunities for the rest of the year.

"The encouraging thing is that we've got a great car, great tyres, and Felipe can win races. It's a good chance to take points off Fernando. I think because of the car advantage we have, it's still very open. It's a fabulous result for Felipe, and a great result for the constructors' [championship]."

It was a shame that the battle for second took attention away from Massa's superb victory. What better way to win your first race than taking pole and heading home a pair of world champions?

After the flag, I bumped into Todt as he headed down to the podium. "You don't need Kimi now," I joked. He didn't really react. Wonder if the same thought had already occurred to him...

[MisilRojo]

En McLaren están cada vez más convencidos que con el romanticismo no se ganan campeonatos, y es evidente que hoy día, con el tremendo desarrollo tecnológico y con una competencia durísima no entre dos escuderías, sino entre cuatro o cinco que tienen presupuesto y medios humanos y materiales para luchar por el título, McLaren no se puede quedar atrás.

Lo que se comenta es una evidencia, se unen dos factores: en primer lugar, ninguno de los circuitos que quedan de aquí a final de temporada es idóneo para que McLaren consiga una victoria. Suzuka es quizás el más cercano, pero tampoco creo que puedan sueprar a Ferrari y Renault. Con este coche además, en condiciones "extrañas" (lluvia, accidentes), pueden pensar que es suficiente para luchar con Honda para intentar llevarse el gato al agua si hay alguna oportunidad. El resto de circuitos no son para McLaren, y para conseguir ganar una décima van a necesitar un esfuerzo que nos les merece la pena, pues van a luchar por ser 5º en carrera. Es la realidad, por dura que sea, este coche no da más de sí.

El problema es para nuestro Pedro. Hasta ahora, sus actuaciones creo que han lucido bastante, y que se ha consolidado bastante su opción para el 2007, pero si realmente todavía no hay una decisión, todo lo que no consiga en estos próximos 5 grandes premios va a ser utilizado en contra de sus opciones tanto a nivel interno (por Lewis Hamilton y compañía), como a nivel externo (patrocinadores, prensa). Es preocupante, pero tampoco creo que decisivo, porque Pedro puede centrarse en continuar demostrando que es más sólido que Kimi e intentar superarle es un reto interesante. Todo esto contando con que Kimi termine la temporada.

Creo que Suzuka puede ser una bonita opción para intentar el podio, pues con un resultado así, Pedro se aseguraría el asiento en 2007, pero es evidente que este coche no es ganador. Pedro debe asegurarse el asiento en 2007 en McLaren.

Vamos a ver también que papel juega la lluvia en este final de campeonato, porque creo que al menos tendremos una carrera más en mojado, y probablemente algún fin de semana más nos dará la lluvia alguna sorpresa. En estas condiciones, puede pasar cualquier cosa y Pedro debe estar con la caña de pescar preparada. En todo caso, lo más normal es que ni Pedro ni McLaren volvieran a pisar el podio esta temporada.

La estrategia le puede merecer la pena a McLaren para trabajar ya sobre el coche que pondrán en pista en la primera carrera de la próxima temporada. Renault y Ferrari seguro que llevan trabajando ya algunas semanas en el coche del año próximo como es tradicional en estas escuderías. Toyota y Honda probablemente anden igual. La competencia es dura, y no se puede llegar a las cinco primeras carreras con un coche mediocre.

De todas maneras, ya digo, aunque McLaren hubiera continuado el desarrollo de este monoplaza creo que realmente hubieran podido avanzar muy poco teniendo en cuenta los circuitos que quedan y el nivel de sus competidores.

Saludos,
MisilRojo.

[verto]

aqui hablais mucho de suzuka,de que si se llevará palante al que tenga,que lo hará genial,etc.yo no soy tan optimista de cara a ese gran premio,cierto es q lo conoce mejor q cualquier otro piloto de la F1 actual junto con sato pero recordando su etapa en jaguar por ejemplo,irvine le supero los 2 años en suzuka.en mi opinion,los circuitos de altas velocidades y rapidos han sido los que mejor le han ido a pedro,pisa el acelerador como pocos,circuitos como monza,el antiguo hockemheim(se escribe asi?) o el A1 ring austriaco es en donde mejor le han ido las cosas en sus etapas anteriores.En estos tipos de circuitos es donde ha podido superar con mas facilidad a su compañero asi que yo tengo mucha esperanza en él para este gran premio y ojalá haga la carrera de su vida en suzuka en donde él tendrá mucha comfianza en si mismo.

No basta con ganar una carrera, tendrás que superar siempre tu última hazaña

[`]

2001,2002 ambos años se retiro por problemas de transmision o bomba de gasolina.

[david20]

Yo estoy convencido de que Mclaren sera competitivo el año que viene, dudo mucho que Fernando haya fichado por McLaren sin tener unas garantias minimas de que el coche que pilotara sera bueno. Cierto es que el futuro es incierto y las promesas o planes de futuro que tenga McLaren no tienen porque cumplirse.

[revolutionman]

Os acordais la castaña de coche -y equipo- que tenía Ferrari cuando Fichó a Michael? De verdad creeis que a Alonso le preocupa que el McLaren no sea competitivo en 2007? alguna escudería tiene garantizada su competitividad en Marzo? Os acordais de lo qué pasó con Ferrari el año pasado? -que si no tenemos prisa con el coche nuevo, que si ahora con el coche nuevo os vais a enterar... pellizada total todo el año...

Vamos, que quedarte o cambiarte de escudería no te garantiza N-A-D-A.
Alonso ha fichado por McLaren como el que ficha por el Milan o la Juve, despues de ganar la liga con el Parma.
McLaren o Ferrari siempre serán aspirantes garantizados, aunque no se gana ni se es competitivo solo con el nombre.

Las cosas no son como empiezan, sino como terminan.
Pedro, siempre contigo.
�nimo Fernando!

[F1 ZGZ]

Ojo que puede llover en Monza aunque todavía es pronto para saberlo.

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[mik]

Parece que hay previsión de tormentas fuertes a partir del jueves que dejarán lluvias todo el fin de semana.