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mensaje Jun 28 2010, 08:36 AM
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Peter Sauber, Jefe de Equipo: "Qué fantástica carrera, especialmente teniendo en cuenta de dónde partíamos en la parrilla de salida. El equipo y los pilotos lo hicieron todo bien hoy. Pedro demostró un rendimeinto muy sólido y sumó un punto, y Kamui estuvo absolutamente increíble. Los tiempos por vuelta que marcó mientras era tercero fueron sensacionales. Demuestran cuánto es el potencial que hay en el coche. ¡Enhorabuena a todo el equipo y a los pilotos!"

Da gusto oir a Peter Sauber decir algo coherente. Lastima que al final Pedro se quedara sin punto. Sacado de The F1
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Silverstone tiene dos factores importantes. Creo que después de varias carreras, puede ser un circuito más al estilo de Turquía o sobre todo Montmeló. Es decir, en principio nos podría favorecer "algo" o ser menos malo.

Finalmente, otro factor importante será ver ese segundo paquete de mejoras importante que lleva tiempo el equipo preparando.

El motor de Pedro será el de Valencia, a ver si la mecánica se muestra fiable. Silverstone, a pesar de ser Julio, puede tener sorpresa en forma de lluvia, vamos a ver que pasa. No es mala opción para Pedro y para el C29.


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mensaje Jun 28 2010, 12:48 PM
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CITA(XeviF1 @ Jun 28 2010, 09:21 AM) *
Por trazado puede ser un circuito muy bueno para el c29. Pero la semana pasada corrieron alli las motos. Todos los pilotos se quejaban mucho de los baches, de hecho muchos estaban en frenada o a mitad de curva.
Como ya sabeis el c29 es un coche que no se le dan nada bien los baches, asi que si siguen estando nos complicaran la vida.
Veremos a ver... smile.gif


Bueno los baches en Silverstone siempre han estado ahí, habrá que aprovechar la nueva zona para darles cera a los rivales laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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articulo del amus sobre sauber Kobayashi seventh in Valencia http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-...fe-1913257.html



Sauber cheers despite De la Rosa-punishment

After just one championship point in eight races redeemed the rushes of Kamui Kobayashi, the Sauber team. Pedro de la Rosa and also was on price points. The Commissioners stole the Spaniard three hours after the finish still a counter.

The balance of Sauber was depressing after eight races. The white car had traveled so far just 39.6 percent of the possible race distance. Four completed races and three defects were compared with nine accidents. The account was a miserable championship point. What change a Grand Prix can do. Valencia were added in two finishes, 617 kilometers of the race and six World Championship points.

The troops from Hinwil did not travel with the greatest hopes for Spain, even if promised a more constant output of new diffuser. The problem of the Sauber C29 is confirmed by all observers route. The car is extremely critical in the border area. And that comes on routes where a lot of brake and accelerate, particularly negative to bear. The Sauber need liquid curve sequences in which he deeply and take advantage of its pressure then that is present only in a small window can.
Sauber in training still weak

The window is larger after the Valencia update. Nevertheless, the training results indicated not just a significant increase. The race covers 16 and 18 seemed the impression of the first eight races to confirm. However, 1.2 seconds behind the leaders at a distance of 5.4 kilometers, no class distinction. Had Pedro de la Rosa in Q2 lap time repeats of the first knockout round, he could even start ahead of Michael Schumacher.

But what then followed in the race, which even the management team brought in Erklärungsnot. "For me it is a mystery, could go with what regularity Kobayashi fast lap. He is, after 53 laps on one set of tires on the road was," Peter Sauber shook his head. It took the Chief's conclusion: "So bad is the car not be back."
Sauber Mercedes and Ferrari complains how about tires

It's not the first time that the Sauber in the race run better than in practice, although the difference has never been so blatantly occurred. One reason could be that clean the tires in the decisive round of training does not get into the best Gripfenster. This problem sharing the Swiss with Mercedes and Ferrari. In the race, when the pilot more warm-up time available, it is then suddenly, because the tires have the grip that they lack training in the manifest.

Valencia brought the troupe from Hinwil a lot of recognition from the outside. Once again, the command post was on the ball. The new art director James Key ordered quite right to separate strategies. "The fact that we have Kamui sent out with the risky tactic, was the fact that he was placed at the start worse than de la Rosa. We needed a safety car and it came."
Sauber-tactician with a perfect strategy

Mercedes like playing poker with Michael Schumacher. But when they made the fate of the gift of a safety car, attacked the Silver Arrow strategists not to. Sauber did it properly and kept Kobayashi on the track. From 18th place in no time was third. A rule of thumb says: There is nothing more important than the position in the field. "We have already a bit surprised us why Mercedes Schumacher has brought to the pits to change tires," said Sauber.

Of course, the men knew about Peter Sauber, James Key and Beat Zehnder, that their Japanese would not last forever remain in third place. But one times for the pit stop so that Kobayashi would fall at least to a point still rank in the field, with enough time to benefit from the soft tires in the final. "The two place winnings at the end went full on Kamuis account", applauded Sauber. "Great, that he concluded the race still had the nerve to launch two attacks on Alonso and Buemi."
Pedro de la Rosa in the pitch

James Key was left in Kobayashi's attacks: "We had with De la Rosa a hedge on a points position." The Spaniard lost the place still, because he was in the safety car phase, driving too fast on the boxes. Beat Zehnder took De la Rosa in protection: "Pedro was on the fast final section, when we received the message with the Safety Car. As a driver you look at the full speed corners is not necessarily always at the display windows to meet the countdown time. The same problem also had eight other drivers. "

De la Rosa was happy in spite of the lost item. He was pleased with the team. So much so that he concealed his race engineer, his problem the last twelve rounds. "I had a run in brake disks, the team said nothing about radio from the vibrations. I did not want them again during the race, expect some bad news."

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mensaje Jun 29 2010, 02:18 PM
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CITA(` @ Jun 29 2010, 12:13 PM) *
articulo del amus sobre sauber Kobayashi seventh in Valencia http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-...fe-1913257.html



Sauber cheers despite De la Rosa-punishment

After just one championship point in eight races redeemed the rushes of Kamui Kobayashi, the Sauber team. Pedro de la Rosa and also was on price points. The Commissioners stole the Spaniard three hours after the finish still a counter.

The balance of Sauber was depressing after eight races. The white car had traveled so far just 39.6 percent of the possible race distance. Four completed races and three defects were compared with nine accidents. The account was a miserable championship point. What change a Grand Prix can do. Valencia were added in two finishes, 617 kilometers of the race and six World Championship points.

The troops from Hinwil did not travel with the greatest hopes for Spain, even if promised a more constant output of new diffuser. The problem of the Sauber C29 is confirmed by all observers route. The car is extremely critical in the border area. And that comes on routes where a lot of brake and accelerate, particularly negative to bear. The Sauber need liquid curve sequences in which he deeply and take advantage of its pressure then that is present only in a small window can.
Sauber in training still weak

The window is larger after the Valencia update. Nevertheless, the training results indicated not just a significant increase. The race covers 16 and 18 seemed the impression of the first eight races to confirm. However, 1.2 seconds behind the leaders at a distance of 5.4 kilometers, no class distinction. Had Pedro de la Rosa in Q2 lap time repeats of the first knockout round, he could even start ahead of Michael Schumacher.

But what then followed in the race, which even the management team brought in Erklärungsnot. "For me it is a mystery, could go with what regularity Kobayashi fast lap. He is, after 53 laps on one set of tires on the road was," Peter Sauber shook his head. It took the Chief's conclusion: "So bad is the car not be back."
Sauber Mercedes and Ferrari complains how about tires

It's not the first time that the Sauber in the race run better than in practice, although the difference has never been so blatantly occurred. One reason could be that clean the tires in the decisive round of training does not get into the best Gripfenster. This problem sharing the Swiss with Mercedes and Ferrari. In the race, when the pilot more warm-up time available, it is then suddenly, because the tires have the grip that they lack training in the manifest.

Valencia brought the troupe from Hinwil a lot of recognition from the outside. Once again, the command post was on the ball. The new art director James Key ordered quite right to separate strategies. "The fact that we have Kamui sent out with the risky tactic, was the fact that he was placed at the start worse than de la Rosa. We needed a safety car and it came."
Sauber-tactician with a perfect strategy

Mercedes like playing poker with Michael Schumacher. But when they made the fate of the gift of a safety car, attacked the Silver Arrow strategists not to. Sauber did it properly and kept Kobayashi on the track. From 18th place in no time was third. A rule of thumb says: There is nothing more important than the position in the field. "We have already a bit surprised us why Mercedes Schumacher has brought to the pits to change tires," said Sauber.

Of course, the men knew about Peter Sauber, James Key and Beat Zehnder, that their Japanese would not last forever remain in third place. But one times for the pit stop so that Kobayashi would fall at least to a point still rank in the field, with enough time to benefit from the soft tires in the final. "The two place winnings at the end went full on Kamuis account", applauded Sauber. "Great, that he concluded the race still had the nerve to launch two attacks on Alonso and Buemi."
Pedro de la Rosa in the pitch

James Key was left in Kobayashi's attacks: "We had with De la Rosa a hedge on a points position." The Spaniard lost the place still, because he was in the safety car phase, driving too fast on the boxes. Beat Zehnder took De la Rosa in protection: "Pedro was on the fast final section, when we received the message with the Safety Car. As a driver you look at the full speed corners is not necessarily always at the display windows to meet the countdown time. The same problem also had eight other drivers. "

De la Rosa was happy in spite of the lost item. He was pleased with the team. So much so that he concealed his race engineer, his problem the last twelve rounds. "I had a run in brake disks, the team said nothing about radio from the vibrations. I did not want them again during the race, expect some bad news."


Me ha gustado mucho este artículo, es muy positivo, esperemos que la tranquilidad llegue a Sauber y comiencen a llegar los resultados.
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mensaje Jun 29 2010, 03:56 PM
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CITA(nuevo @ Jun 29 2010, 03:18 PM) *
Me ha gustado mucho este artículo, es muy positivo, esperemos que la tranquilidad llegue a Sauber y comiencen a llegar los resultados.


Así es... también me ha gustado mucho el análisis... deja en buen lugar a Sauber y a Pedro, no hemos podido ver muchas carreras de los Sauber, tampoco las gomas han estado a la altura de las expectativas que podía generarse con la táctica de neumáticos... Bridgestone hará un cambio de planteamiento con eso y puede que a partir de ahora cobre algo de sentido aquellas declaraciones de pre temporada por parte del fabricante japonés, que decía que Sauber era el equipo que más y mejor cuidaba las gomas.

Ha sido una carrera atípica en un circuito atípico pero esperemos que el buen resultado de Kamui y el virtual 10º lugar de Pedro... de alas al equipo. Silverstone debería ser un circuito algo más favorable a Sauber y allí en teoría tendremos más mejoras.



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mensaje Jun 29 2010, 06:00 PM
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Al final o tendremos que concluir que, en carrera, el coche no es tan malo... o es que los dos pilotos son muy buenos.


Yo, evidentemente, soy partidario de esta segunda interpretación: buenísimos.
Una pareja súper-compenetrada.
Por ejemplo; por las notas del equipo quedó muy claro que, casi a última hora, Pedro encontró una puesta a punto óptima, y que Kamui pudo beneficiarse de ello pese a que estaba muy perdido el sábado.

Esto es un equipo, ojalá dure al menos un años más.
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mensaje Jun 29 2010, 06:09 PM
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Yo a lo mejor soy muy opimista, pero creo que como Sauber entre un poco en esta tónica de acabar carreras y pescar algunos puntos más, repite pareja. Tiene toda la lógica, porque es equilibrada y complementaria. Claro, que el tema pelas será crucial.

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mensaje Jun 29 2010, 06:12 PM
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No eres tan optimista. sólo hay que ver dónde ha estado PDLR cuando llegó al final (por no hablar de a dónde apuntaba cuando no llegó, que esto sí es ciencia ficción)
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De momento solo ha puntuado el japo y para una vez que pedropodia pillar un misero puntillo a la postre ha sido desposeido asi que yo no soy tan optimista como vosotros.



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CITA(lemec @ Jun 29 2010, 07:17 PM) *
De momento solo ha puntuado el japo y para una vez que pedropodia pillar un misero puntillo a la postre ha sido desposeido asi que yo no soy tan optimista como vosotros.



Vaya... ahora ya no nos vamos a conformar con un décimo... por ser un "mísero" punto. Recordaremos que Kamui precisamente llevaba en su casillero "un mísero" punto... con ese mísero nos alejabamos de quien nos quería poner a la altura de HRT .... por poner un ejemplo de los 3 de abajo.


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CITA(AC99 @ Jun 29 2010, 07:09 PM) *
Yo a lo mejor soy muy opimista, pero creo que como Sauber entre un poco en esta tónica de acabar carreras y pescar algunos puntos más, repite pareja. Tiene toda la lógica, porque es equilibrada y complementaria. Claro, que el tema pelas será crucial.

Saludos!



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No hay que ser ni optimistas ni pesimistas.

Seguramente haya alguna clausula del palo: "consigue X puntos o consigue mas puntos que Kobayashi", pero se dijo que no eran clausulas vinculantes.

Todo dependerá de muchas circunstancias, sinceramente a día de hoy no creo que haya nada decidido. Quedar delante de Williams y Toro Rosso sería importante, pero el 4º puesto de Barrichello va a hacer mucho daño.
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CITA(Ayrton_Hill @ Jun 30 2010, 11:03 AM) *
No hay que ser ni optimistas ni pesimistas.

Seguramente haya alguna clausula del palo: "consigue X puntos o consigue mas puntos que Kobayashi", pero se dijo que no eran clausulas vinculantes.

Todo dependerá de muchas circunstancias, sinceramente a día de hoy no creo que haya nada decidido. Quedar delante de Williams y Toro Rosso sería importante, pero el 4º puesto de Barrichello va a hacer mucho daño.



Quedan muchas carreras y al podemos volver a tener otra oportunidad como la de China. Han vuelto a terminar los dos pilotos, solo la "mala suerte" ha hecho que Pedro no puntue, parece que pueden estar en esos puesto y luchando carerara tras carrera.

Muy importante, bajo mi punto de vista, tiene que aguantar el motor de Pedro el GP de Gran Bretaña.


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Mas mejoras:


Sauber technical director James Key says the team is working hard to prolong its strong form following Kamui Kobayashi's drive to seventh place at Valencia.

The team under-performed in the early part of the season, but Key is determined to extend its run of good results with update packages planned for the next two races.

"We are in a position now where the car is more suited to some track layouts than to others," Key said. "Valencia showed that the car works when it's in the right conditions. Silverstone should be better suited to our car - it's mainly a mix of medium and high-speed corners, which our car is definitely well balanced for. Hockenheim might be a little less suited to our car than Silverstone.

"For Silverstone we have some front wing updates and modifications around the middle of the car. Then for Hockenheim we will have a rear end update which includes a diffuser step as well. The numbers in the wind tunnel are progressing well."

Key says the team is also working on low downforce performance for Spa and Monza, as well as dedicated a significant portion of its resources to next season's C30.

"We are a private team and we don't have unlimited resources to do everything we want," he said. "We are currently in the process of splitting our resources as best we can between the current car and the C30. We are focusing on Spa and Monza for lower downforce and drag configurations - and there will be further steps towards the end of the year."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84901
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Esperemos que la actualizacion de silverstone nos ayude a dar un salto de calidad, sobre todo hace falta en calificacion.Key esta haciendo un muy buen trabajo y eso se va notando poco a poco.


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Tendría mucho mérito si Sauber con el presupuesto y equipo q tiene ahora hiciera lo contrario q ha hecho BMW durante estos años, es decir, empezar mal y terminar bien...y todos sabemos q las cosas no son cómo empiezan sino cómo acaban. Williams se ha ido un poco, pero confío q se metan en la pómada.

Qué importante ha sido el fichaje de Key...


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A ver si por lo menos con las nuevas mejoras podemos estar luchando por entrar en Q1 al menos un coche y que el otro esté en el límite, entre 11 y 12, es muy importante para poder puntuar los dos.

Coincido con vosotros en la importancia del fichaje de Key.


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Team talk following the European GP

Peter Saubers team celebrated a strong performance and six points at the European Grand Prix. The Team Principal, Technical Director James Key, the irrepressible overtaker Kamui Kobayashi and Pedro de la Rosa, who was retrospectively demoted from the points-scoring positions, reflect on the results from Valencia.

Peter Sauber

What can you say about Kamui Kobayashis performance?

PS: I can only think of one word for it amazing! I was obviously thrilled by his two overtaking moves at the end of the race, but what impressed me most was how Kamui mastered his long stint on the hard tyres. At times he was setting some of the fastest lap times of any driver, but still managed to look after his tyres. He also drove very consistently and didnt allow himself to be put under pressure by Jenson Button. Signing a rookie is always something of a risk; on Sunday Kamui delivered confirmation that we made the right decision.

What were you thinking when Kamui Kobayashi launched his attack on Fernando Alonso?

PS: I just hoped it would have a good result. Kamui was ninth when he took on Alonso; in other words, there were points at stake points we desperately needed. When he managed to get by and then also passed Sébastien Buemi, I was clearly overjoyed, just like everybody else.

How much of this success can be attributed to the car?

PS: These kinds of lap times are only possible if both the driver and the car are quick; theres no other way. The C29 has a huge amount of potential, but it doesnt make it easy for our engineers and drivers to fully exploit this potential every time. When I compare our qualifying performance in Valencia with the lap times in the race, I cant work it out.

James Key

Why was the C29 so competitive in the race?

JK: There are several reasons. When a driver finds himself in a competitive position like that he always finds something more in himself because hes following quicker cars. And Kamui did a very good job. The race also showed that the car works when its in the right conditions, but the question we have and we had for several of the last races is why the car is more competitive in race conditions than qualifying. The drivers report that the car is easier to drive in the race, and tyre degradation wasnt a problem either, so we werent particularly hard on the tyres. We need to look into the data, now that both drivers delivered a competitive race after a qualifying that was not up to our expectations. We need to pin down the differences in how the car is feeling and handling and see how we can apply that to qualifying.

What are the next development steps?

JK: We are currently in the process of splitting our resources as best we can between the current car and the C30. We are a private team and we dont have unlimited resources to do everything we want. For Silverstone we have some front wing updates and modifications around the middle of the car. Then for Hockenheim we will have a rear end update which includes a diffuser step as well. The numbers in the wind tunnel are progressing well. At the same time we are focusing on Spa and Monza for lower downforce and drag configurations. And there will be further steps towards the end of the year.

Before the summer break, there will be three races in Silverstone, Hockenheim and Budapest. How will they suit the C29?

JK: We are in a position now where the car is more suited to some track layouts than to others. You can see that looking at our qualifying performance in Barcelona and Istanbul compared to Montreal and Valencia. However, we are working on our weaknesses, and we made a first step with our update in Valencia. Silverstone should be better suited to our car. Its mainly a mix of medium and high-speed corners which our car is definitely well balanced for. Hockenheim is a fairly normal track with a mix of low, medium and high-speed corners. I expect this to be an event where things will be very close. Hockenheim might be a little less suited to our car than Silverstone. Hungary is mainly low and medium-speed, but we are working on improving our performance in low-speed corners, and our goal is to improve the car mechanically for Hockenheim and Budapest.

Kamui Kobayashi

How risky were your overtaking manoeuvres on Fernando Alonso and Sébastien Buemi in the penultimate and final laps?

KK: Its difficult to say, of course. My car was feeling good and I had a lot more grip than Fernando and Sébastien with my fresh tyres; my lap times were clearly better. I only had four laps with the new tyres. I was genuinely faster, so I had to give it a try. I just wanted to get the most I could out of the situation. I was sure that I could get past as long as they didnt make any strange moves under braking. I didnt expect them to, as both of them are good drivers and would not throw away their points shortly before the end of the race.

In Istanbul you wore out your tyres too quickly. Did this experience help you in Valencia?

KK: Yes, for sure. The race in Turkey was a good experience, although the two situations were different in terms of tyre wear. In Valencia I kept a close eye on my tyres and had no problem at all running for 53 laps on the one set of harder-compound tyres.

How much pressure were you under from Jenson Button, who was running just one to one-and-a-half seconds behind you for almost 40 laps?

KK: I definitely felt pressure most of all immediately after the Safety Car phase. Of course I knew that Jenson was behind me in a faster car and also had the fresher tyres at that point. But, at the same time, I knew it isnt that easy to overtake on this city circuit, and I had to avoid getting worked up because I had to look after my tyres. Although I improved my lap times, my focus was on conserving my tyres sensibly.

Has this race increased your confidence levels?

KK: Of course in particular because we were able to maintain a strong race pace, which was incredibly enjoyable. Its very clear that our weakness lies in qualifying. If we can secure a better position on the grid for the races, well be able to score points more often. In Valencia, especially, there was a pretty big difference in track conditions between qualifying and the race. In the race, the asphalt offered a lot more grip, and that helped us. The track became more and more grippy and, at the same time, braking stability and traction improved as the car got lighter.

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The way the race developed played into the hands of your team-mates tyre strategy. Are you disappointed that the split strategy that saw you start on the soft tyres and Kamui on the harder compound was not decided the other way round?

PDLR: No, not really. We spread the strategy as a team, which allowed us to cover various scenarios. Nobody can say in advance how the race will develop. When you qualify so far back it is important and the correct decision not to put all your eggs in one basket for the race. If you just do what everyone else is doing, logically youve got no chance of achieving anything.

To what extent did the race performance of the C29 differ from the previous GP?

PDLR: We were stronger in the race in Valencia than in any race so far. The changes weve made to the car help us through slow corners and have improved the stability of the rear. That, in turn, allows the rear tyres to last longer. The upgrades for Valencia were certainly a step in the right direction, and that is very, very important. Regarding our performances in qualifying, however, we still have a lot of work to do.

Having scored one World Championship point in the race, were you expecting to lose it again that evening?

PDLR: No, that came totally out of the blue. I didnt see the Safety Car delta time on the steering wheel display at all. The Safety Car went out onto the track as I was going through the final corners. These are fast corners, and we were still running close together, fighting for positions, as the race was still in its early stages. At the same time, I spoke to the pits on the radio, because I had been called in for a stop. Eight other drivers obviously had a similar experience. To tell the truth, I also think that if one of us had lifted in response to the delta time, it would have caused a crash. At the end of the day, I was 2.8 seconds too fast and accept my penalty for that, although this offence has not always been punished in the past. Plus, the fact that nine drivers all made the same mistake at the same time indicates that there were special circumstances involved. I found it surprising that the penalty was five seconds; a 20-second time penalty is about right for a drive-through.
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