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Raul Leiva
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CITA(pedrocarr5 @ Jan 21 2010, 12:29 PM) *
....sistema de puntuacíon parece estar decidido : http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_an...gulations/8681/

1st place: 25 points
2nd place: 20 points
3rd place: 15 points
4th place: 10 points
5th place: 8 points
6th place: 6 points
7th place: 5 points
8th place: 3 points
9th place: 2 points
10th place: 1 point

...y la calificacion tambien:

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_an...gulations/8686/

Q1: 20 minutos y los 8 peores tiempos fuera

Q2: 15 minutos y los 8 peores fuera

Q3: 10 minutos


Opino lo mismo, me parece una burrada 26 coches en pista en Q1. ¿Por que no hacen una preclasificación el viernes tras unos libres como se hacía hasta el 95? Había entre 26-28 coches y para el sábado quién no llegaba al 107% del tiempo del primero pues fuera y quedaban 22-24. Como no hay 107% podrían quedar fuera los 4 últimos pilotos.


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CITA(Raul Leiva @ Jan 21 2010, 01:31 PM) *
Opino lo mismo, me parece una burrada 26 coches en pista en Q1. ¿Por que no hacen una preclasificación el viernes tras unos libres como se hacía hasta el 95? Había entre 26-28 coches y para el sábado quién no llegaba al 107% del tiempo del primero pues fuera y quedaban 22-24. Como no hay 107% podrían quedar fuera los 4 últimos pilotos.


Si.... dile a alguien que ponga pasta para Campos o USF1 y que luego no salgan en la "clasificación oficial" del sabado. Porque el sistema antiguo, igual que en motos, estaba muy bien, pero el viernes solo lo veian los verdaderos fans de la F-1.

De hecho, en el 95, se cogia el mejor tiempo de viernes o sabado,¿no? Si mal no recuerdo de mis vicios en el mítico GrandPrix2...


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No creo que sea tan problematico al menos no lo son en otras categorias de turismos o monoplazas donde incluso ahi unos cuantos coches mas. Aun asi veremos si en Bahrain ahi 26 coches.
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CITA(Damon_Hill1996 @ Jan 21 2010, 01:40 PM) *
Si.... dile a alguien que ponga pasta para Campos o USF1 y que luego no salgan en la "clasificación oficial" del sabado. Porque el sistema antiguo, igual que en motos, estaba muy bien, pero el viernes solo lo veian los verdaderos fans de la F-1.

De hecho, en el 95, se cogia el mejor tiempo de viernes o sabado,¿no? Si mal no recuerdo de mis vicios en el mítico GrandPrix2...


Insuperable juego, todo un logro para su época.
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Exclusive Pedro De la Rosa Q&A: Yes, I've still got what it takes


In a winter break full of surprises, news that veteran McLaren tester Pedro de la Rosa has signed to race for BMW Sauber this season has been one of the more unexpected. Although he's never been too far away from the Formula One paddock, the Spaniard hasn't had a full-time race drive since Jaguar in 2002. Eight years on and he's back, paired with 2009's best-performing debutant, Kamui Kobayashi. On paper it's a mix of youth and experience tailor made for Formula One racing's new resource-restricted era. And 38 year-old De la Rosa is confident it should prove just as strong in practice

Q: Pedro, how do you feel after securing a race seat? Did you ever expect to be a full-time diver again?
Pedro de la Rosa:
I am extremely happy about this, especially because I have been pushing for it for so many years. The reason I became a test driver was because I always wanted to go back racing. My motivation for testing was to keep on believing in myself and believing that this could happen. So I am extremely happy. I have learned a lot from working with a super team like McLaren Mercedes, and if I am here, it is thanks to them. They have helped me grow as a racing driver and I am a lot better now than when I joined the team back in 2003.

Q: Why are you back in the cockpit?
PdlR:
Well, I think the most important thing for a race driver is to feel like a race driver. The fact that I am back now means that I can feel like a race driver again. I can compete against other drivers and I can feel the adrenaline pumping through my system already. And that's the great thing about motor racing. It allows you to compete and that is why I am so happy to be back with such a competitive and underrated team as the BMW Sauber.

Q: Do you think that you still have what it takes?
PdlR:
I would not be here if I did not think I still had what it takes. I have a huge amount of motivation. I am a hard worker and I think that is the most important thing at this level to still have the motivation and hunger to attack, and to work everyday as if it was the last day. So yes, I have what it takes. How good will I be? We will see! I believe I can be a lot better than people expect and let's take it from there. It is a long winter. We have four weeks of great testing ahead and I will gradually get back to speed.

Q: You had been linked to several of the new team joining the 2010 grid, but are you pleased to have signed with an established name?
PdlR:
I think that it is very important to be back racing in Formula One, but it is more important to be back racing with a competitive team like BMW Sauber. I am well prepared, but more importantly, I am with a good and experienced team. So, I am extremely happy about the situation.

Q: How advanced were your negotiations with the other teams?
PdlR:
Well, it has been a long winter for me. A very long winter. Actually, it started during the summer when I was in discussions with several teams. To describe these last few months, I'd say it's been like a rollercoaster ride. There have been weeks where I was very close to securing a race drive, and other weeks when the whole scenario seemed to collapse. But finally it worked out for me. It has been a very intense few weeks of negotiations.

Q: When did your negotiations with Peter Sauber get underway?
PdlR:
Peter was very straight with me right from the beginning. I spoke with him for the first time when the team still did not have a grid slot. The first thing that Peter told me was that he'd secure a slot first and then call me. Peter always kept his word. He called me every time he had to and kept me informed about the team's process during the winter months. He was always very straightforward. There were a lot of other good and experienced drivers out there and that I think made Peter's decision quite difficult.

Q: How long is the contract for?
PdlR:
I cannot talk about my contract because it is a confidential document between the team and myself.

Q: Your biggest asset must be your time at McLaren. How would you define your role at your new team?
PdlR:
I think my experience is a massive asset. You do not gain experience in a few months or in one year. It is over years that you gain experience and that is what I can bring to the team. I want to help my team mate Kamui (Kobayashi) as well because he is quick, young and inexperienced. We need to be a very strong unit to exploit the team's great potential and I think that I can contribute to achieving that.

Q: You have moved from a team of splendour to one that has had to dramatically downsize over a short period of time. What is your impression of the Hinwil factory?
PdlR:
I am very impressed by the factory, I am hugely impressed by the personnel and the wind tunnel. The wind tunnel I have seen here is really something. It is state of the art and a fantastic tool for the engineers to do a very good job.

Q: As you've not yet driven the car, it'll be tricky to gauge, but how do you think the team will do this season?
PdlR:
Well, let's be realistic. I need to spend more time with the team and with the people. I need to learn more about the 2010 car, and we'll need to wait until we start testing in February to answer this question. This is my first day at work! We need to set goals that are achievable. However, I would be disappointed if we were not in a position to fight for points on a regular basis.
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CITA(` @ Jan 21 2010, 01:59 PM) *
No creo que sea tan problematico al menos no lo son en otras categorias de turismos o monoplazas donde incluso ahi unos cuantos coches mas. Aun asi veremos si en Bahrain ahi 26 coches.



Damos por hecho algo que es probable q


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CITA(` @ Jan 21 2010, 01:59 PM) *
No creo que sea tan problematico al menos no lo son en otras categorias de turismos o monoplazas donde incluso ahi unos cuantos coches mas. Aun asi veremos si en Bahrain ahi 26 coches.



Damos por hecho, algo que es probable que no suceda. Yo, personalmente, Creo que no habra 26 coches sad.gif


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CITA(Damon_Hill1996 @ Jan 21 2010, 01:40 PM) *
Si.... dile a alguien que ponga pasta para Campos o USF1 y que luego no salgan en la "clasificación oficial" del sabado. Porque el sistema antiguo, igual que en motos, estaba muy bien, pero el viernes solo lo veian los verdaderos fans de la F-1.

De hecho, en el 95, se cogia el mejor tiempo de viernes o sabado,¿no? Si mal no recuerdo de mis vicios en el mítico GrandPrix2...


Lo mismo que pasaba con los equipos Forti o Pacific e incluso Footwork (Arrows), que se quedaban fuera, cierto es que despues estos equipos al garete fueron...

Yo era más del GP3...y ahora sigo con el GP4 hiper parcheado jeje.


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Exclusive Pedro De la Rosa Q&A: Yes, Ive still got what it takes

In a winter break full of surprises, news that veteran McLaren tester Pedro de la Rosa has signed to race for BMW Sauber this season has been one of the more unexpected. Although hes never been too far away from the Formula One paddock, the Spaniard hasnt had a full-time race drive since Jaguar in 2002. Eight years on and hes back, paired with 2009s best-performing debutant, Kamui Kobayashi. On paper its a mix of youth and experience tailor made for Formula One racings new resource-restricted era. And 38 year-old De la Rosa is confident it should prove just as strong in practice

Q: Pedro, how do you feel after securing a race seat? Did you ever expect to be a full-time diver again?
Pedro de la Rosa: I am extremely happy about this, especially because I have been pushing for it for so many years. The reason I became a test driver was because I always wanted to go back racing. My motivation for testing was to keep on believing in myself and believing that this could happen. So I am extremely happy. I have learned a lot from working with a super team like McLaren Mercedes, and if I am here, it is thanks to them. They have helped me grow as a racing driver and I am a lot better now than when I joined the team back in 2003.

Q: Why are you back in the cockpit?
PdlR: Well, I think the most important thing for a race driver is to feel like a race driver. The fact that I am back now means that I can feel like a race driver again. I can compete against other drivers and I can feel the adrenaline pumping through my system already. And thats the great thing about motor racing. It allows you to compete and that is why I am so happy to be back with such a competitive and underrated team as the BMW Sauber.

Q: Do you think that you still have what it takes?
PdlR: I would not be here if I did not think I still had what it takes. I have a huge amount of motivation. I am a hard worker and I think that is the most important thing at this level to still have the motivation and hunger to attack, and to work everyday as if it was the last day. So yes, I have what it takes. How good will I be? We will see! I believe I can be a lot better than people expect and lets take it from there. It is a long winter. We have four weeks of great testing ahead and I will gradually get back to speed.

Q: You had been linked to several of the new team joining the 2010 grid, but are you pleased to have signed with an established name?
PdlR: I think that it is very important to be back racing in Formula One, but it is more important to be back racing with a competitive team like BMW Sauber. I am well prepared, but more importantly, I am with a good and experienced team. So, I am extremely happy about the situation.

Q: How advanced were your negotiations with the other teams?
PdlR: Well, it has been a long winter for me. A very long winter. Actually, it started during the summer when I was in discussions with several teams. To describe these last few months, Id say its been like a rollercoaster ride. There have been weeks where I was very close to securing a race drive, and other weeks when the whole scenario seemed to collapse. But finally it worked out for me. It has been a very intense few weeks of negotiations.

Q: When did your negotiations with Peter Sauber get underway?
PdlR: Peter was very straight with me right from the beginning. I spoke with him for the first time when the team still did not have a grid slot. The first thing that Peter told me was that hed secure a slot first and then call me. Peter always kept his word. He called me every time he had to and kept me informed about the teams process during the winter months. He was always very straightforward. There were a lot of other good and experienced drivers out there and that I think made Peters decision quite difficult.

Q: How long is the contract for?
PdlR: I cannot talk about my contract because it is a confidential document between the team and myself.

Q: Your biggest asset must be your time at McLaren. How would you define your role at your new team?
PdlR: I think my experience is a massive asset. You do not gain experience in a few months or in one year. It is over years that you gain experience and that is what I can bring to the team. I want to help my team mate Kamui (Kobayashi) as well because he is quick, young and inexperienced. We need to be a very strong unit to exploit the teams great potential and I think that I can contribute to achieving that.

Q: You have moved from a team of splendour to one that has had to dramatically downsize over a short period of time. What is your impression of the Hinwil factory?
PdlR:I am very impressed by the factory, I am hugely impressed by the personnel and the wind tunnel. The wind tunnel I have seen here is really something. It is state of the art and a fantastic tool for the engineers to do a very good job.

Q: As youve not yet driven the car, itll be tricky to gauge, but how do you think the team will do this season?
PdlR: Well, lets be realistic. I need to spend more time with the team and with the people. I need to learn more about the 2010 car, and well need to wait until we start testing in February to answer this question. This is my first day at work! We need to set goals that are achievable. However, I would be disappointed if we were not in a position to fight for points on a regular basis.


http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/1/10353.html


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CITA(lordlAiRain @ Jan 21 2010, 11:25 AM) *
Según leí hace algún tiempo, a la Q3 pasaban 10 coches y en la Q1 y Q2 se quedaban 8 en cada una.



Si Si asi es y con 26 coche yo creo k lso grande haran su vuelta al principio y se quitaran del medio po si acaso pasa algo.
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CITA(tenista @ Jan 21 2010, 02:14 PM) *
Exclusive Pedro De la Rosa Q&A: Yes, Ive still got what it takes

Q: You have moved from a team of splendour to one that has had to dramatically downsize over a short period of time. What is your impression of the Hinwil factory?
PdlR:I am very impressed by the factory, I am hugely impressed by the personnel and the wind tunnel. The wind tunnel I have seen here is really something. It is state of the art and a fantastic tool for the engineers to do a very good job.

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/1/10353.html


A mí leer esto me transmite mucha confianza. Creo que la base, los cimientos del equipo pueden ser buenos, a ver qué tal sale la jugada.


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"I would be disappointed if we were not in a position to fight for points on a regular basis"
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CITA(MisilRojo @ Jan 21 2010, 02:46 PM) *
A mí leer esto me transmite mucha confianza. Creo que la base, los cimientos del equipo pueden ser buenos, a ver qué tal sale la jugada.



CITA(Ayrton_Hill @ Jan 21 2010, 02:48 PM) *
"I would be disappointed if we were not in a position to fight for points on a regular basis"



Tiene las cosas, muy, pero que muy claras.


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Yo es que creo que puntuando 10 coches, sería realmente decepcionante no ver a Sauber sumar puntos en casi todos los grandes premios. Evidentemente eso implica luchar por ser la 4º-5º escudería del Mundial, pero creo que ese es el reto. Será duro con Force India, Williams o Renault ahí, pero es el reto de Pedro y Sauber para esta temporada.


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yo espero un poco mas de este coche....


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Sauber siempre ha sido un buen equipo que ha conseguido buenos resultados en relación al presupuesto que manejan. Este año Sauber lleva detrás un buen legado, el de BMW, que sin duda será un empujoncito. Tener como aliado a ferrari también es muy bueno. Creo que Pedro va a tener un buen coche, dudo que para ganar una carrera, pero sí para pelear por los puntos. Podría darse un caso similar a ForceIndia y dar un salto adelante, pero de momento hay que ser cautos. Veremos los primeros cronos cómo salen y ya se sabe, hasta la primera pole todo son especulaciones.
A mi personalmente me ha animado mucho saber que Sauber dispone de un túnel del viento de los más avanzados, porque como el propio Pedro ha dicho, la aerodinámica es la que marca el tiempo por vuelta. Montar motores ferrari es una garantía de que el coche no irá falto de potencia, y eso unido a una buena aerodinámica puede dar resultados muy satisfactorios. Hay mil elementos más que hacen un coche rápido, pero si falla lo principal como el motor o la aerodinámica, no hay nada que hacer. Veremos cómo va el chasis que tienen y las evoluciones que van mejorando a lo largo de las carreras.
De lo que estoy 100% seguro es que esta puede ser una de las temporadas más bonitas con el grandísimo aliciente de tener a Pedro corriendo.


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CITA(Ayrton_Hill @ Jan 21 2010, 02:48 PM) *
"I would be disappointed if we were not in a position to fight for points on a regular basis"


Ostie pues si que tienen muchas esperanzas en el coche del 2010, espero que no sea un topetazo como el 'innombrable'. También dijeron que con ese coche debían estar regularmente en puntos y buff.....

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De todas maneras si no recuerdo mal el motor Ferrari era el que más consumía de todo asi que ojo con ese peligroso detalle que espero hayan subsanado sin malmeter la potencia...
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Como somos, no hace mucho estabamos suplicando un coche para Pedro y ahora nos atrevemos, tras sus palabras, a exigirles estar en los puntos................................somos la leche wink.gif


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eso es lo bonito instinto de superacion laugh.gif


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