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[gargamel]

Mira por donde TESS, en eso el chico lleva ventaja, porque si no estoy mal informado, en la GP2 no hay control de traccion, y es la competicion en la que fue campeon.

[locodesk]

Y Bien que nos deleitaba con sus trompitos gargamel xDDD

[Kashopi]

Bueno Tess, en la GP2 no habia ayudas electronicas y Pedro dijo ya que eso no va a suponer un cambio demasiado brusco.
Al fin y al cabo estamos hablando de profesionales ...
Lo que le veo peor a Mclaren el año que viene es que van a ser los unicos que van a tener que pasar auditoría a su coche por el tema de espionaje, por lo que deberan andar con pies de plomo a la hora del diseño, ya que , aun sin copiar a Ferrari podrian tener un problema por arte de la casualidad.
De esto hay una sola lectura: Mclaren necesita a Pedro mas que nunca, tanto por el coche como por Lewis , todos sabemos que es un piloto muy rapido pero , el mismo lo ha reconocido, no afina muy bien los sets.

Edited by - kashopi on 03/11/2007 21:10:41

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Pues nose tess pero parece que se conforma con la de sus amigos sutil, rosberg o kovalainen porque lo a vuelto decir ahora mismo en una entrevista a la zdf. Quizas pedro no le valga para ir de botellon.

[LewisFAST]

TEAM VODAFONE MCLAREN MERCEDES 2008

Piloto No. 1 : LEWIS HAMILTON
Piloto No. 2 : NICO ROSBERG
Piloto reserva y tester : ALEX WURZ (El mejor piloto de pruebas de la F1)
Tester No. 2 : GARY PAFFET

Aquí ya no hay espacio para españoles. I'm sorry for Peter. El se dejó "enredar" por Fernando y ahora no es bien visto por el equipo.

Lastima porque hasta buen tío es Pedro, no es mala persona como el LLORON de Alonso, pero tomó partido y prefirió irse del lado de Fernando y no del lado de su equipo (el que le paga el sueldo).

Pedro, te aseguro que para un ser EGOISTA Y MEZQUINO como Alonso tu no eres nadie, por eso no creo que te vaya a ayudar a buscar trabajo. Fernando sólo piensa en Fernando.

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[GONZALO]

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA QUE ME PARTO!
¡TONTO!

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Hay que ver que nuestros amigos del The times consideran a Pedro una opcion buena. jeje

From The Sunday TimesNovember 4, 2007

Star appeal
Every F1 team is eyeing the talents of Fernando Alonso. Renault? Toyota? Who is in pole position to sign him?

Andrew Longmore
The announcement, when it came, was an anticlimax. After months of bitter, silent, mistrust between Ron Dennis, the team principal at McLaren, and the double world champion, Fernando Alonso, the divorce was more decree nisi than Heather Mills McCartney. Irreconcilable differences, mutual consent, ups and downs, the bric-a-brac of life. The press release was a sad little document, betraying no anger, merely regret and sorrow, a tacit admission of failure on both sides.

“Sometimes in life things do not work out,” said Alonso. “For some reason, the combination has not really worked out. Parting was for the best,” said Dennis. The language was utterly human. Nobody had the heart to give the knife one final twist. McLaren, one of the best teams in the world, could not exist with Alonso, one of the best drivers in the world. It was as complex and as simple as that.

In the background, you could hear the band strike up for another game of musical chairs. Whither Alonso now? It is very rare for a gem of that quality to come onto the market so unexpectedly and any sane team principal – and there are still a few of them out there – would be calling his sponsors to check the depth of their coffers. Toyota, Renault, Williams, Red Bull, barely a team in the pit lane has not been linked to the Spaniard, although it is widely believed that his long-term seat is being kept warm by either Kimi Raikkonen or Felipe Massa at Ferrari.

All of this talk presumes drivers do not have binding contracts and that, if they do, like footballers, they are not really worth the paper. Red Bull have contracts with Mark Webber and David Coulthard. There is no space at Red Bull.

Williams would need strong financial reason to release Nico Rosberg to join Lewis Hamilton at McLaren-Mercedes, though the compensation might enable the team to finance a deal with Alonso, the sort of driver Frank Williams would covet. Dennis is known to favour Rosberg, a former teammate of Hamilton’s in karting, if he can broker a deal with Williams.

One other point deserves consideration. McLaren will remain a financial powerhouse of the sport, whatever lowly position accorded its massive trucks and state-of-the-art motorhome in the pit lane. Yet the £48m fine levied by the FIA for its part in the spy scandal with Ferrari cannot be treated like a shortfall in the petty cash box, not even by McLaren. That fine will bite and, depending on the loyalty of the Spanish sponsors – Bank Santander and Mutua Madrileña were lured to McLaren by the prospect of another world title for Alonso and are expected to remain with the team – might prove to be a more serious piece of the jigsaw than many presume.

Dennis will have ensured the future of his major sponsors before losing Alonso, whatever the emotional impossibility of keeping a driver who had so publicly questioned the loyalty and trust of his team. Alonso’s fate was effectively sealed the moment he implied that his mechanics had deliberately tampered with his tyre pressures during final qualifying in China. The presence of an FIA technical delegate to oversee fair play in the McLaren garage in Brazil was an embarrassment, to McLaren, the FIA and, mostly, to Alonso.

McLaren have a default option in Pedro de la Rosa, potentially a decent No 2. The Spaniard would serve two important functions: one would be to keep McLaren’s Spanish sponsors on board and two would be to keep Lewis Hamilton happy.

De la Rosa knows the team after testing for them last season and, despite his close friendship with Alonso and his role in soliciting information about Ferrari’s car via Mike Coughlan, the disaffected McLaren designer, details of which emerged in the FIA hearing in Paris, he remains a popular figure within the team. Whether McLaren would change its policy of having equal No 1 drivers so dramatically is another matter, but, after last season, a cheap and easy solution would have its attractions.

A return to his old haunts at Renault would remain the most attractive option for Alonso, who might feel in need of a cuddle. According to reports from Italy yesterday, Briatore has already offered him a drive at Renault next year. He is respected and appreciated there, having led the team to two world titles. He would have to take a substantial pay cut for the privilege and would probably not want Kovalainen, a charger in the Hamilton mould, as his teammate, which means the Finn moving on. A swap with McLaren remains a possibility, but might not find favour with Hamilton, who is now the undisputed heavyweight in the McLaren camp. Kovalainen is quick, if erratic, and displays the same ability to cope with bad days as Raikkonen, the new world champion. Hamilton would not psyche out the Scandinavian as easily as he did the Spaniard. Besides, if we listen to the latest musings of Max Mosley, the president of the FIA, Hamilton is overrated anyway.

Which leaves Toyota, a distinct possibility for Alonso. Toyota have the money and, now that Ralf Schumacher has gone, a spare seat. Having struggled to make any meaningful impact on Formula One, Toyota would be desperate to hire a driver of Alonso’s prestige and skill. Alonso, in his turn, might be attracted by the challenge, by his potential teammate, Jarno Trulli, whom he likes and, more importantly, knows he can beat, and by the pay cheque. If he takes the yen, even for two years, he will only be 28 by the time he emerges back into the real world. If Toyota push forward, as they should do, Alonso’s standing will rise; if they do not, it will not be his fault. He might even win a race or two.

On the face of it, the only surefire winner – off the track at least – in the whole sorry saga has been Hamilton. The 22-year-old will be busy with his book launch this week, the official story of his first season in Formula One as opposed to the two biographies already released and the one unofficial story due for publication on Thursday.

For the moment, Hamilton is McLaren’s No 1 driver. Whether it remains that way for next season will be a matter for serious discussion behind the tinted windows of the team’s offices in Woking.

The war still has to be won, but, with Alonso dispatched to the wilderness, Hamilton has won his first battle.

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La oportunidad de PedroNo es la primera opción, no nos engañemos, pero el piloto barcelonés es uno de los candidatos al volante de Alonso si Ron Dennis quiere paz

Josep Viaplana
Un volante queda libre en el equipo Vodafone McLaren Mercedes para la próxima temporada con la marcha de Fernando Alonso. Y uno de los candidatos para sustituirle es Pedro Martínez de la Rosa. Quizás hoy no es el mejor colocado, pero el piloto barcelonés es una de las posibilidades que baraja Ron Dennis para sustituir al asturiano. Además, manteniendo un piloto español en uno de sus volantes, daría aire a patrocinadores como el Santander o la Mútua Madrileña, condenados contractualmente a seguir en su equipo.

La libertad concedida por la escudería inglesa a Fernando Alonso posibilita una vez más a De la Rosa a optar a un puesto como primer piloto, después de haberse encontrado en la sombra, como probador de los monoplazas ingleses, esta última temporada. De hecho, el barcelonés ya fue quien sustituyó a Montoya cuando éste fue despedido a mediados del 2006.
Con el abandono del proyecto Prodrive, en el que tantas esperanzas había depositado, y en el que tanto McLaren como Mercedes contaban con él, el equipo británico ya había decidido mantenerlo otro año en su estructura. De hecho, Pedro tiene contrato por otros dos años. Hoy, el día después de la liberación de Alonso, forma parte de la lista de candidatos para ocupar el puesto del asturiano al tener contrato en vigencia con la escudería, aunque suenan con mayor fuerza otros nombres como sustitutos.

“Rosberg, Sutil, Kovalainen”, declaró ayer Lewis Hamilton a la prensa al ser preguntado sobre la identidad de su nuevo compañero para el 2008. “Lo importante es que sea un hombre de equipo”, añadió el británico, el cual participó ante 50.000 espectadores en la tradicional reunión de final de temporada que organiza Mercedes en Stuttgart.

Con contrato en vigor con Williams, el alemán Nico Rosberg, también de 22 años, se presenta como el mejor situado para unirse a Hamilton en McLaren. El hijo del finlandés Keke Rosberg, campeón de Fórmula 1 en 1982, terminó en novena posición en el Mundial de 2007, en el que ha sido uno de sus protagonistas. Otro de los aspirantes es su compatriota Adrian Sutil, también amigo de Hamilton desde que compartieron equipo en F3 Euroseries, y que debutó este año en la Fórmula 1 en el equipo Spyker y que sumó un punto en Japón. Por otro lado, el tercer hombre es el finlandés Heikki Kovalainen, que este año ha debutado a los mandos de un Renault, y que acabó séptimo del Mundial, con 30 puntos. Su inicio de campeonato fue decepcionante, pero en la segunda parte ha hecho grandes carreras.

Por su parte, Norbert Haug, máximo responsable de Mercedes Motorsport, empresa que tiene el 40% de acciones del grupo McLaren, prometió una “buena solución” a la búsqueda de un nuevo piloto, pero no ofreció nombres. El resultado final podría ser una carambola que afectase a varios equipos, incluyendo también el futuro de Fernando Alonso, y que todo apunta se alargará todavía un par de semanas. El próximo día 13, sin embargo, dará comienzo la pretemporada en el Circuit de Catalunya y puede que con todo en el aire.

[Cap]

Pedro, te aseguro que para un ser EGOISTA Y MEZQUINO como Alonso tu no eres nadie, por eso no creo que te vaya a ayudar a buscar trabajo. Fernando sólo piensa en Fernando.

Al menos, Pedro y Fernando saben como funciona un volante de F1...Lewis no puede decir lo mismo



Asumelo...Lewis esta incluido en la lista de los 50 mayores perdedores de Inglaterra, por algo será



Edited by - Cap on 04/11/2007 9:41:24 [/i]

[Cap]

Pues nose tess pero parece que se conforma con la de sus amigos sutil, rosberg o kovalainen porque lo a vuelto decir ahora mismo en una entrevista a la zdf. Quizas pedro no le valga para ir de botellon.

O quizás Pedro también le suponga un riesgo...

Estaría divertido ver a Sutil y a Rosberg, en McLaren, mojandole la oreja descaradamente...¿Permitiría Mercedes que su piloto nacional fuese ninguneado? Veo doloooorrr Lewis [/i]

[Cap]

Mira por donde TESS, en eso el chico lleva ventaja, porque si no estoy mal informado, en la GP2 no hay control de traccion, y es la competicion en la que fue campeon.

Con un coche de dudosa legalidad... [/i]

[Kashopi]

Piloto No. 1 : LEWIS HAMILTON
Piloto No. 2 : NICO ROSBERG
Piloto reserva y tester : ALEX WURZ (El mejor piloto de pruebas de la F1)
Tester No. 2 : GARY PAFFET

A ver ... Alex Wurz el mejor tester de la F1?? xDDD , bueno , podemos discutirlo.
Pero ... ¿Gary Paffet mejor que Pedro? xDDDD Esa si que es buenaaaaa juasjuasjuas.... [/i]

[Tess]

Coño pero si tenemos aqui al amigo inglés, jajajajaja.

Esto.... lewis, donde andabas cuando tu amiguito besó la puzolana?????.

Que capullo, cuando las cosas van mal se escuende como las ratas.

En fin, que podemos esperar de un tipo que viene a insultar a Pedro


CAP pero si cuando están entrenando y a Pedro le dejan pisar, siempre está por delante, pues claro que hay miedo, prefiere a Rosberg que otra cosa no hará, pero mover la melena al viento, vaya que si la mueve, ni la pantoja.


Edited by - Tess on 04/11/2007 10:41:00

[espinete]

Jarno Trulli: "Supe de inmediato que Fernando dejaba McLaren. Y también sé que está hablando con Toyota sobre aspectos técnicos. Sería una gran noticia para mí...".

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[monza2001]

Alonso podría hacer un "Schumi" en Toyota. Le ofrecen todo a la carta, como hizo Ferrari en su momento.

Puede parecer una opción lejana a corto plazo debido a su escaso rendimiento. Pero para mi, es claramente la mejor opción. Puede hacer y deshacer a su antojo, y además todo ello con un salario de órdago a la grande.

Lo de Ferrari dentro de dos años o los que sean, no lo veo por el mismo motivo que han existido problemas en McLaren este año. Un duo Kimi-Alonso, me temo mucho que no. Huele a problemas.

Gora Pedro ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

Edited by - monza2001 on 04/11/2007 11:08:25 [/b]

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Who will partner Lewis in 2008?
Sunday, 4th November 2007

There is one very tempting seat available at the front of the Formula 1 grid in 2008... and several drivers will want it.

While attention surrounds who Fernando Alonso will be driving for in 2008 following his departure from McLaren-Mercedes, his decision also means that a top seat is now very much available – and in demand.

With the drivers' market in a state of flux as teams and drivers waited for Alonso to make the first move, as the Spaniard has chosen to leave McLaren, it has presented a rare opportunity for a potentially race winning car to become available

Naturally, several names are being touted for the seat already, some more likely than others. With deals still to be finalised and ‘get out' clauses meaning those contracts are not as cast-iron as they seem, McLaren will have a busy few weeks deciding who is best to partner Lewis Hamilton.

Hamilton has already hinted as to the drivers he would like to see partner him next year, but he could find one of any number of racers joining him in 2008.

Here, we name a few who could well fill that slot…

Nico Rosberg
The early favourite for the position must surely be Nico Rosberg. Although the fact that his status says he is a Williams driver for 2008, that Frank Williams has signalled his desire to keep hold of the youngster and that Rosberg himself wants to stay with the team, the opportunity for the German could not be more tempting.

Despite an inconsistent rookie season that was peppered with speed and mistakes alike, Rosberg was a minor revelation in 2007, appearing confident, racy and far more reliable. His fourth place finish in Brazil was probably more than this year's good but safe Williams car deserved under normal conditions, which suggests the German is a precocious talent waiting to be snapped up.

Rosberg is very happy at Williams though, so the begging question here is whether the team can revisit their former glory and give Rosberg a car that is capable of prompting the best from him. That looks increasingly unlikely as they flounder somewhat without sole manufacturer backing, meaning Rosberg should go ahead and seek that for himself and not wait for Williams to get back to a point they may never reach again. On the down side, his team player credentials are unfounded yet, although his German nationality doesn't hurt where Mercedes is concerned.


Heikki Kovalainen
Were it not for Lewis Hamilton, Heikki Kovalainen's maiden season in Formula 1 probably would have received greater prominence and earned more of an ovation.

Despite a torrid start to the year in which Kovalainen's ultimate speed was questioned by Renault themselves, the Finn really hauled himself up the order in the second-half of the season and showed why exactly he has been touted for great things. As quick as Nico Rosberg and the BMWs at times, Kovalainen was against it as he tried to fill the substantial shoes of Alonso.

In reality, Kovalainen was quicker than team-mate Giancarlo Fisichella in the latter half of the year, and put together a run of points' finishes that eventually saw him snatch seventh place in the driver standings – a fine result given his lack of knowledge of some circuits.

Should Kovalainen go to McLaren though, it would probably be more to do with the fact that Renault need to clear a space for Alonso to return. Not that this could be a bad thing for Kovalainen given the difference in form in 2007. However, he would risk getting on the outside and be always looking in, while he would be at the whim of Flavio Briatore's decisions of where to place him. It would make Kovalainen a worthy, but potentially complicated, signing.

Adrian Sutil
Quite a wildcard suggestion, Adrian Sutil is beginning to get himself known on the wider stage after a solid maiden season with minnows Spyker.

A former team-mate of Hamilton's in Formula 3, Sutil revealed two things in 2007: that he can be quick, but that he can also be prone to a few mistakes. The latter could well put McLaren off the youngster, but perhaps at the same time they can give him the chance to redeem himself in such different surroundings.

Even so, Sutil remains something of an unknown quantity and is still learning the rigours of Formula 1 having made the increasingly substantial step up directly from F3. Nonetheless, he scored a point in his debut season and showed flashes of brilliance – namely at Spa – which has prompted many to expect big things in the future.

Had he got one more season under his belt then Sutil could well have been a more likely choice to partner Hamilton. For now, the step to McLaren is perhaps slightly too big.




Pedro de la Rosa
Probably the sponsors' number one choice, Pedro de la Rosa has been a loyal part of the McLaren family for several years now and this must surely be his prime opportunity to get the top level seat he has been chasing.

Although he expected to race for Prodrive in 2008, the increasing likelihood that they will not make the grid next year is placing doubts on de la Rosa's racing future. The Spaniard has done a good job for McLaren during testing, but his race pace remains something on an unknown quantity.

His handful of races in 2006 in place of Juan Pable Montoya were occasionally impressive – namely his second place in Hungary, a race he could have won -, but rarely outstanding. Nonetheless, should de la Rosa, who made his F1 debut with Arrows back in 1999, get his head around the qualifying system, then his speed over a long distance is often impressive.

Potentially a safe choice for McLaren, does de la Rosa have what it takes to raise his game?


Gary Paffett
McLaren's second test driver gives the team the scope for an all-British line-up.

Like de la Rosa, Gary Paffett has been a loyal Mercedes employed driver for several years now, but is now in a position where it is now or never as to whether he can step up to become a full-time F1 driver.

Also touted for Prodrive, Paffett may have spent several years in the DTM – winning the title in 2005 -, but his single-seater experience is still impressive. His German Formula 3 title in 2002 saw him beat Timo Glock, Markus Winkelhock and Vitantonio Liuzz among others.

However, it is Paffett's race craft that will leave McLaren pondering, as they have not had the chance to see how he can cope in racing conditions.

His decision to return to the DTM shows he is aching to race, but Paffett's lack of experience means a McLaren race seat is increasingly unlikely, unless he can get into a smaller team first.

Also touted for Prodrive, Paffett may have spent several years in the DTM – winning the title in 2005 -, but his single-seater experience is still impressive. His German Formula 3 title in 2002 saw him beat Timo Glock, Markus Winkelhock and Vitantonio Liuzz among others.

However, it is Paffett's race craft that will leave McLaren pondering, as they have not had the chance to see how he can cope in racing conditions.

His decision to return to the DTM shows he is aching to race, but Paffett's lack of experience means a McLaren race seat is increasingly unlikely, unless he can get into a smaller team first.


David Coulthard
Could David Coulthard be set for a shock return to his former employers?

Maybe not, but if rumours about Fernando Alonso being in talks with Red Bull become true, then the Scot could well be forced to look elsewhere for employment and hooking up again with the team in which he achieved plenty of success would not be a bad deal.

The likelihood of this happening though is relatively slim, as the Scot is locked into a contract alongside Mark Webber. However, if the opportunity came about, could Coulthard resist a belated chance at the world title – or is he happy to ascend with Red Bull?

It remains to be seen… but at least he can take heart from the fact that the bookmakers would like to see him piloting a silver arrow once again…


These are just a suggestion as to whom should race for McLaren in 2008. Why not have you say and comment on who you think will be the Lewis Hamilton's team-mate next year...


http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/15...is_in_2008.html

Edited by - ` on 04/11/2007 11:50:37

[MisilRojo]

Fernando y Toyota pueden ser una buena combinación, pero los nipones tienen que apostar por Fernando a tope, y darle mucha libertad en el desarrollo de un proyecto que para él es un salto al vacío y una apuesta incierta. Fernando puede poner a Toyota en la actual posición de BMW para el 2009.

Con respecto a Pedro yo creo sinceramente que sus opciones son casi nulas. Ser piloto titular de McLaren no es ser piloto de Prodrive, y Pedro lo tiene realmente difícil. No creo que apuesten por él, como no lo hicieron la pasada temporada, y creo que Pedro sigue porque aporta tranquilidad y es un valor seguro en su trabajo... como probador. Es duro, pero creo que realmente es así. Sólo en una carambola muy hipotética creo que podría considerarse como una opción a Pedro, pero yo no lo otorgo más de un 5-10% de posibilidades, frente a pilotos como Rosberg, Sutil, Vettel o Kovalainen. Frente a estos pilotos con un perfil totalmente opuesto, Pedro no puede luchar, y si es eso lo que buscan (como todas las informaciones apuntan), no creo que siquiera piensen en Pedro como una opción seria.

Saludos,
MisilRojo.

[ocko]

Pues en Marca no dejan de asegurar que este martes o miercols Fernando podría firmar ya su acuerdo con Renault. No se en que se basan, pero así lo afirman.

Este artículo que ha colgado Yossi esta bastante bien yno trata mal a Pedro. Plantea dudas lógicas sobre su rendimiento, pero le dan un buen % de posibilidades.

Lo que me preocupa es que Mclaren pueda estar esperando los movimientos de FA, lo cual indica que quizás quieran hacer un fichaje.

Metal Up your Ass !!!!!

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Yo de momento a Pedro le dejaria un buen porcentaje que si bajaria si no lo anuncian la semana que viene.

[carlomaxx]

Conociendo a Dennis, creo que el que Pedro sea titular en McLaren pasaría por la compra de Mercedes a la escudería, cosa que no parece probable que se produzca. Dennis solo cree en Pedro como tester. Punto.

Como se ha dicho por ahí, igual una carambola le da el volante, pero yo no lo veo.