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[MIKE WATT.]

Solo quier añadir una ultima cosa aparte de lo dicho de que si Briatore, que yo sepa no es tonto, si sabe que el chico es un as, no lo deja marchar ni para atras...

Es que Mclaren no busca un as para su segundo asiento.

[Javi Salinas]

Tenista, la noticia es del 28.10.2007, no hay que alarmarse, Pedro es el que mas opciones tiene para el asiento.

[`]

Tan complicado es llegar al foro y no leer unas paginas mas atras ejemplo 200,199 etc? ...

[juannillo]

Si, la verdad es que somos un poco tremendistas...

Vamos a ver que pasa, pero igual hoy tampoco pasa nada :-/

[DeangelisElio]

Yossi, no se puede comparar la F1 con el Dtm...

[accitano]

Quizás los "problemas" en el desarrollo del McLaren de 2008 -McLaren ha admitido que congelara el desarrollo de ciertas partes de su monoplaza- puedan jugar a favor de Pedro, no? Firmaría Kovalainen por un Mclaren que con estas declaraciones pude estar "poniéndose la tirita antes que la herida" ante una difícil temporada debido a problemas en el desarrollo de su coche?

Suena un poco descabellado... o no?

Saludos.

"Cada tanto viene bien una derrota" Frank Williams.
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[Ayrton_Hill]

Pedro es el que mas opciones tiene para el volante.... de probador.

Yo tiraria para la DTM tambien, sinceramente.

[BITTER]

Por favor, los reproches personales vía email. A mi no me interesa la opinión que tengan unos foreros de otros foreros, sólo me interesa la que tengan los foreros sobre la Formula 1, que por cierto, es el objetivo de debate de este foro.

Un poco de calma, por favor.

Si los españoles habláramos sólo y exclusivamente de lo que sabemos, se produciría un gran silencio que nos permitiría pensar. , Manuel Azaña, 1880-1940.

�nimo Pedro! [/b]

[`]

Fijate paffett se fue al dtm compitio no hizo un puto test en todo el año y aun sono para prodrive y mclaren. Yo lo que digo seria hacer unos tests si sabe que puede ir rapido y luchar por el campeonato seria una opcion de lujo.

[pca]

Accitano, la ironía, la demagogia, las ganas de dar lecciones y los aires del susodicho sobraban. No ha opinando de temas deportivos solamente.

[tenista]

Yossi, eso mismo he realizado yo. Primero casi me da un infarto, y luego es una noticia o rumor de no se que dia. Somos lo que no hay.................................

[DeangelisElio]

Nah, seamos claros, esta es la ultima oportunidad k tiene Pedro

[Gordongekkko]

Anda que culpar a MM de que Pedro no pueda tener el volante es una chorrada.

Lo que si puede ser es un indicador de como van las cosas. MM siempre ha estado con Alonso, pero no creo que tuvieran ningun inconveniente en apoyar a Pedro si fuera 2ºpiloto, lo que pasa es que igual han sondeado los de MM con Mclaren esa posiblidad y no lo han visto nada claro y se han pirado.

Yo creo que MM no tiene nada que ver y que su salida ha estado vinculada a Fernando y a que han visto que no esta nada claro que Mclaren vaya a poner a Pedro.

Malas noticias.

[ocko]

Puesto que era su utlima oportunidad, por mi que se vaya al DTM y sienta lo que es competir y el Mclaren que lo desarrollen Hamilton y Paffet y les den por donde yo se...

Toda la admiracion que me causo el Mclaren en la época Senna la estoy perdiendo a pasos agigantados. Una oportunidad les queda....

Metal Up your Ass !!!!!

[ExxonValdez]

No quiero ser agorero, pero es que lo dicen dos periódicos bastante serios...

The Guardian:

McLaren's grovelling apology brings end to spying scandal


Public penance earns team FIA call for scrapping of inquest over use of Ferrari data, reports Alan Henry

Friday December 14, 2007
The Guardian


McLaren have issued a public apology to Ferrari and the FIA. Photograph: Paul Gilham/Getty Images



The McLaren formula one team last night issued a public and wide-ranging apology to Ferrari and the sport's governing body for their illegal use of the Italian team's technical data last season. McLaren suffered a £50m fine for the offence and were stripped of all their 2007 constructors' world championship points.
After a detailed examination of their current and newly designed 2008 car, the MP4-23, the team acknowledged that it is now clear Ferrari information was more widely disseminated within their organisation than had previously been made public. McLaren say they "greatly regret" that their own investigations did not identify this material and they have written to the World Motor Sport Council to apologise.


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The FIA, the sport's governing body, welcomed the apology and said a hearing in front of the council to confirm the legality of McLaren's new car, should be scrapped. Max Mosley, the FIA president, said: "In the light of McLaren's public apology and undertakings the FIA president has asked the members of the World Motor Sport Council for their consent to cancel the hearing scheduled for February 14 and, in the interests of the sport, to consider this matter closed."
By any standards this was a grovelling apology from McLaren which demonstrates how anxious the British team are to draw a line under an acutely embarrassing episode which began when their disgraced chief designer, Mike Coughlan, was found to be in possession of more than 700 drawings allegedly supplied by the Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney.

Had McLaren been forced to wait until February for their new car to be formally signed off for use, any modifications which might have been required to satisfy the governing body would have had to be rushed or perhaps not even completed prior to the first race, in Melbourne, on March 16.

The McLaren group's chief operating officer, Martin Whitmarsh, sent a letter to the FIA and the council to express deep regret that it took an FIA inspection and not McLaren's own investigation to uncover the information. McLaren also admitted that the "entire situation could have been avoided if we had informed Ferrari and the FIA about Nigel Stepney's first communication when it came to our attention. We are, of course, embarrassed by the successive disclosures and have apologised unreservedly to the FIA World Motor Sport Council."

To avoid Ferrari information influencing their performance during 2008, McLaren have offered a set of detailed undertakings to the FIA which will impose a moratorium on development in relation to certain technical systems on the car. Ferrari said last night that they were happy to bring an end to the matter but the team are still to pursue the matter through the courts. A Ferrari statement said: "In the light of McLaren's apology, and the guarantees it has presented, Ferrari respects the proposal of the FIA president to cancel the extraordinary general meeting of the WMSC scheduled for February 14, thus bringing this incident to a close from a sporting point of view. However, it is confirmed that criminal actions under way in Italy and civil ones in England are still continuing."

The issue of who will eventually replace Fernando Alonso as Lewis Hamilton's team-mate next season was a less immediate priority yesterday. However, Whitmarsh strongly indicated that Heikki Kovalainen, the 25-year-old Finn who made his formula one debut for Renault last year, is emerging as the leading candidate. Kovalainen starred in the GP2 support category in 2005, when he finished second in the championship race behind Nico Rosberg, who last week signed a long-term contract with Williams, committing until the end of 2009. The high spot of Kovalainen's maiden formula one season was a brilliant second place behind Hamilton in the Japanese grand prix. "I think Heikki looks like a very interesting driver," said Whitmarsh , although he acknowledged that the McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa is pushing hard.

If Kovalainen is given the drive, he will follow in the footsteps of three world champion Finns who have driven for McLaren - Keke Rosberg, who won the title in 1982, Mika Hakkinen, who won in 1998 and 1999, and Kimi Raikkonen, who triumphed for Ferrari last season.

"Right now two people are up for the seat and I guess we will soon know who the second driver will be, in less than a week," De la Rosa was quoted as saying in Spain's El Pais newspaper. "If they are taking their time, it is because they are thinking hard about it, although if it was up to me the decision would have been made already. I prefer to be cautious and don't get my hopes up. There were a lot of candidates initially and now there are not that many. I guess everything will be known in a week."


Y The Times:

From The TimesDecember 14, 2007

McLaren decide on humiliating course of action with apology
(Bela Szandelszky)
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Edward Gorman
McLaren Mercedes stunned Formula One last night by making a grovelling apology to the FIA, motor sport’s governing body, in a humiliating bid to avoid further sanctions over their use of technical secrets from Ferrari that could harm Lewis Hamilton’s bid for the 2008 World Championship.

In a letter to Max Mosley, the president of the FIA, and the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC), which has already handed McLaren a £50 million fine for cheating, the team admitted that Ferrari technical information had penetrated farther into the team than they had acknowledged.

The admission by Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren chief operating officer, came after he and Ron Dennis, the team principal, had seen the latest report compiled by FIA investigators into whether the team’s car for 2008 has been “contaminated” by Ferrari knowhow. Within hours of publication of the letter on the official McLaren website, it became clear that its disclosure was part of what amounts to a “plea-bargain” deal with the FIA to bring the investigation of McLaren to a close.

After the letter appeared, the FIA released a statement by Mosley in which he recommended that, in the light of McLaren’s admissions and “in the interests of the sport”, the WMSC should treat the matter as closed. The council had been due to reconsider the issue at a meeting on February 14 and could have imposed further heavy sanctions, which might have derailed Hamilton’s second season in Formula One before it had started. This will no longer happen.

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The FIA denied that it had let McLaren off the hook or that recent criticism by leading figures in the sport — among them Sir Jackie Stewart, Damon Hill and Martin Brundle — that it was conducting a witch-hunt against McLaren had weakened its resolve. It said that the huge fine levied against the team, and the decision to throw them out of this year’s constructors’ championship, was vindicated by the latest disclosures and that it did not wish to damage the sport by going ahead with more sanctions.

The report by the FIA’s technical inspectors into the 2008 car contains claims that secrets leaked by Nigel Stepney, the former Ferrari mechanic, to Mike Coughlan, the technical director subsequently dismissed by McLaren, were discussed not only by Fernando Alonso and Pedro De La Rosa, the drivers, but by senior managers and engineers at McLaren.

It suggests that the existence of a McLaren “mole” within Ferrari was known to some managers at the team headquarters in Woking, Surrey, and that one area of technical development on the car was stalled until such time as the FIA ceased its investigation. An FIA source told The Times: “It is safe to say engineers and senior managers were aware of things in a way not disclosed to us previously.”

Although in his letter Whitmarsh does not accept that the car is influenced by Ferrari, this sits uneasily with his offer of a self-imposed moratorium on its development in three areas — the “quickshift” gearbox, the “fast-fill” fuel intake and the use of CO2 in tyres — in a bid to bring the FIA’s proceedings against the team to a halt.

“We would respectfully suggest, however,” Whitmarsh writes in a paragraph inadvertently published in full by McLaren, “that despite our embarrassment that pieces of Ferrari information may have penetrated our organisation beyond our previous belief, the inspection has not reached any conclusion that McLaren used Ferrari confidential information on the 2007 or 2008 car (subject to issues as to the deployment of quickshift, fast fill, or CO2 as a tyre gas for 2008, in respect of which see below).”

What is most striking about the letter is its tone of apology. It is clear that McLaren have accepted that only by this form of public humiliation can they free themselves from an episode that has seriously damaged their reputation and called into question the credibility of Whitmarsh and Dennis.

Tale of two spies

July 4 FIA launches investigation into Ferrari-McLaren spy scandal

July 26 McLaren escape punishment from World Motor Sport Council because of lack of evidence

Sept 13 After case is referred to FIA’s Court of Appeal, McLaren fined £50 million and thrown out of constructors’ championship

Sept 17 McLaren consider complaint against Renault about “use of technical information”

Nov 8 While inspectors visit McLaren headquarters in Woking, Surrey, to examine design for next year’s car for evidence of Ferrari technology, FIA summons Renault to answer charge before WMSC of possessing confidential McLaren technical information

Dec 6 Renault found guilty of the charge, but escape without punishment



Lewis Hamilton’s team-mate at McLaren Mercedes next season will be Heikki Kovalainen, The Times understands. The Finn, who finished seventh in his rookie season as Renault’s second driver, was replaced in the French team by Nelson Piquet Jr this week. Signals emanating from McLaren suggested that the team would seek to promote from inside to find the successor to Fernando Alonso, who left to return to Renault, but Kovalainen, 26, is believed to have been given the green light.


De manera que hoy será el día crítico... Si McLaren no sale al paso de esas informaciones y no confirma a Kovalainen, es que Pedro aún tiene una oportunidad...

Pero, eso sí, el McLaren de 2008 parece que no va a ser tan competitivo... [/b]

[DeangelisElio]

Para mi lo k sta claro esk si no le dan el segundo asiento se deberia ir de McLaren YA

[MIKE WATT.]

Quizás los "problemas" en el desarrollo del McLaren de 2008 -McLaren ha admitido que congelara el desarrollo de ciertas partes de su monoplaza- puedan jugar a favor de Pedro, no? Firmaría Kovalainen por un Mclaren que con estas declaraciones pude estar "poniéndose la tirita antes que la herida" ante una difícil temporada debido a problemas en el desarrollo de su coche

No creo que sean partes decisivas del coche.Y pueden centrarse en desarrollar mucho más otras.Creo que Mclaren en 2008 seguirá siendo el mejor coche junto a Ferrari.Una golosina demasiado buena para que Kovalainen la rechace.Si se la ofrecen finalmente firma con los ojos cerrados.

Y sigo pensando que a cundido el desanimo demasiado pronto.Para mi Pedro sigue teniendo serias opciones.

[Gordongekkko]

Ah, y ademas la afirmacion de que Kova ha sido despedido a mi juicio no es correcta.

Briatore es zorro viejo y cuantos mas pilotos tenga en F1 mejor para el. Sabe que Kova tendra volante en Mclaren o en Toyota y de paso se saca otro de la manga como Piquet.

La calidad de Kova para mi esta contrastada, le veo un piloto fenomental pero hombre no tan bueno como pare preferirle antes que Alonso.

Que yo sepa Webber tb es Briatore, hay alguno más en la parrilla?

Alonso
Kova
Piquet
Webber
?
?

[Ayrton_Hill]

a hamilton que le ponga a punto el coche su padre.

[`]

Que se lo ponga dennis que para eso fue mecanico