Caso de Espionaje: Ferrari - McLaren Opciones

[AC99]

No, ST. GREGORI, porque se cancelaría el GP por causas mayores y LH sería proclamado Campeón.

[st. gregori]

Interesante entrevista a Max Mosley (sobretodo las dos últimas preguntas)

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2007/10/7014.html[URL-NOMBRE]Mas Mosley

[MIKE WATT.]

¿A nadie le parece esta respuesta increíble?

Q: Why was McLaren only stripped of the constructor’s points and not those of their drivers. If something isn’t right with the cars then the results of the drivers who drove those cars cannot be right either. Ferrari’s Luca di Montezemolo said that if Alonso or Hamilton becomes champion today they should thank Ferrari’s engineers…

MM: This is Luca’s view. McLaren would definitely not agree…

Q: And you?

MM: When McLaren was stripped of their constructor’s points it would have had a certain logic to also slash the drivers’ championship points. But the majority of the World Council was of different opinion.

Q: Why?

MM: It was a decision of logic versus emotion. Logic would have demanded to slash all points, but emotion was not willing to wreck such an incredible championship with an armchair judgment. If McLaren had objected to the verdict it could have happened. But they didn’t. Though, I would have excluded McLaren from the championship before. There is a legal rule of thumb in the UK: emotional judgments produce weak findings. There’s no doubt that I have sympathy for Hamilton and Alonso, but that fundamental decision rendered by the World Council could haunt us one day.

[gladiatorr]

HOstia, hay una cosa en la que Hamilton supera con creces a Alonso: Hablando inglés.
No le deis mas vueltas, todo es producto de vuestra imaginacion.

"Pues a ver si al final va a ser que Tutankhamon no murió asesinado...¡Ay, cuantas culpas pagó su asistente Ay!"

[`]

Formula 1.- Montezemolo (Ferrari) afirma que el campeonato del mundo estuvo "envenenado" y salpicado por el espionaje
MARANELLO (ITALIA), 24 Oct. (EP/AP) -

El presidente de Ferrari, Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, declaró que este año el campeonato del mundo de Formula uno estuvo "envenenado" y atacó el Consejo Mundial del Deporte del Motor por la manipulación del escándalo de espionaje.

"Vimos gente que mintió y otros que aumentaron el rendimiento de los coches, por lo que nuestra labor se centró en buscar la prueba irrefutable de comportamientos antideportivos durante el campeonato", afirmó Montezemolo.

A pesar de que finalmente uno de sus pilotos se hizo con el campeonato, Kimi Raikkonen, tras vencer en el Gran Premio de Brasil el domingo pasado y terminar con 110 puntos, seguido por los conductores de McLaren Lewis Hamilton y Fernando Alonso con 109, la temporada se vio empañada por el escándalo de espionaje.

Este hecho provocó una sanción de 100 millones de multa para McLaren, tras la sentencia que le condenó por utilizar documentación confidencial de Ferrari. Además, el equipo británico fue expulsado del campeonato de constructores, que Ferrari ganó cómodamente.

McLaren fue sancionada en septiembre por el Consejo Mundial del Motor, después de que la FIA consiguiera pruebas para realizar una acusación formal sobre el equipo británico, aunque en una audiencia anterior, en julio, el Consejo dictaminó que McLaren estaba en posesión de los datos confidenciales de Ferrari.

La FIA convocó una segunda audiencia, cuando entró en posesión de los registros de teléfono y un rastro de intercambios por correo electrónico, que incluye correspondencia entre el piloto de Mclaren de pruebas Pedro de la Rosa y Coughlan, y De La Rosa y Alonso.

Por otro lado, Montezemolo señaló que Bernie Ecclestone debería de decir que el Consejo Mundial con la sentencia "vergonzosa" fue "humillante" para todos los participantes empezando por él.

[J0S3M4]

AQUI ESTA LAS PRUEBAS

[monza2001]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63702[URL-NOMBRE]Pedro ha declarado hoy en Italia

Gora Pedro ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ [/b]

[`]

Edited by - ` on 31/10/2007 0:38:48

[PEDRO_2008]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63712[URL-NOMBRE]Hasta el Juez dice que Pedro es una excelente persona

[MIKE WATT.]

A ver si es verdad y termina ya de una vez este asunto.

McLaren seek swift end to spying row

By Steve Cooper and Jonathan Noble

McLaren are hopeful that they will soon finally be able to put Formula One's spy scandal behind them ahead of an FIA hearing into the legality of their 2008 challenger in Monaco today.

With the FIA World Motor Sport Council due to start considering whether or not there is any evidence of Ferrari intellectual property on McLaren's 2008 car, the team have made it clear that they hope the matter gets sorted out as quickly as possible so they can focus their efforts on next season.

McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh said: "I know the 2008 car doesn't have any foreign intellectual property in it, and therefore I think we've got to let the WMSC and FIA finish its investigations.

"I think we'll come out of this very shortly and will be able to put all of this behind us. And that's good for the sport. It's the right and appropriate outcome and we'll move on."

Whitmarsh said that the team are hoping to run their 2008 car as early at the Jerez test on January 8, and there are high hopes that the MP4-23 can improve on their very successful 2007 car that came close to allowing Lewis Hamilton to win the world championship.

Speaking to this week's Autosport, Whitmarsh said he had seen a big effort from McLaren engineers to ensure steps forward were made this winter.

"One of the encouraging things is Tim Goss - the chief engineer of next year's car," he explained. "He was chief engineer of MP4-21 and he's an immensely competitive guy and a really good engineer.

"During the course of the year, I could see in him how he aggressively fought for resources and capacity within the company to develop next year's car, because he's watched the success of MP4-22, which was led by Pat Fry. He wants to make 23 a better car.

"We've set ourselves a good target for the first race in terms of performance improvement, and we're already a third of the way to achieving that performance target – it's in the bag and we know we've already got that.

"We've got 70 per cent of the target identified and hopefully that will be realised and the engineers will be squeezing for the last few per cent of that performance. But I'm very confident that we'll have a car in Australia that's a good bit quicker than the car we had in Brazil."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64305[URL-NOMBRE]Link

[`]

McLaren must wait for 2008 car clearance

By Jonathan Noble Friday, December 7th 2007, 13:11 GMT

McLaren will have to wait until four weeks before the start of next season to find out whether or not their car has been approved for use by the FIA.

A meeting of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) in Monaco today was due to discuss whether or not any Ferrari intellectual property had been used on McLaren's 2008 challenger.

This came after a detailed examination recently of the designs for the MP4-23 at McLaren's Woking headquarters by FIA-appointed officials.

However, the WMSC felt that it would be better if both McLaren and Ferrari had some input into the findings of the report, so a new meeting has been pencilled in for February 14, 2008.

A statement issued by the FIA said: "In its decision of 13 September 2007, the WMSC instructed the FIA Technical Department to conduct an investigation of the preparatory work by McLaren on its 2008 car to determine whether that car incorporates any confidential Ferrari information.

"This investigation has been concluded and a detailed report submitted to the WMSC. The WMSC considers that McLaren, Ferrari and the other competitors in the FIA Formula One World Championship should be afforded the opportunity to make considered representations on the report at an extraordinary general meeting of the WMSC to be held on Thursday 14 February 2008 in Paris."

The delay in reaching a verdict comes after McLaren F1 Martin Whitmarsh CEO told Autosport that he hoped the matter could be dealt with swiftly so the team could focus on their 2008 campaign.

[MIKE WATT.]

Si antes comenta Martin Whitmarsh lo de que esperaba que se dieran prisa antes lo aplazan.

De todos modos creo que al final todo quedará en nada.Bastante palo le han dado ya a Mclaren como para meterse ahora en charcos de que si tal o cual pieza o sistema se parece al de Ferrari.

[`]

FIA to sue British newspaper (updated)

07/12/2007

The World Motor Sport Council has given permission to the FIA to institute legal proceedings against The Sunday Times, following an article in the newspaper alleging that the sport's governing body was involved in a witch-hunt against McLaren.

Although the FIA is led by a respected barrister (Max Mosley), it is rare for anyone to take on the British media and win. Furthermore, with many within the F1 paddock, indeed, the F1 industry, critical of the FIA, but fearful of speaking out in case of reprisals, a high-profile court case could see all manner of excrement hitting the fan in the months/years ahead.

Ironically, the article in question (link) was not written by a journalist but by former race driver, turned ITV commentator, Martin Brundle. On September 9, just four days before the Paris hearing at which McLaren would be fined $100m and excluded from the 2007 Constructors' Championship, Brundle wrote: "For me this has all the feel of a witch-hunt, driven by the very people who have a primary responsibility to the sport. At a time when we should be excitedly micro-analysing the performance of the contenders, we’re caught up in this story. Many worldly and wise friends in the paddock yesterday, such as Sir Jackie Stewart and Murray Walker, expressed sadness at events."

In a further twist, Brundle's comments followed a denial from an FIA spokesman, to The Times, that the FIA's pursuit of McLaren was a vendetta.

"This inquiry was triggered by a letter of complaint from Ferrari which was, in turn, triggered by the extraordinary discovery of 780 pages of their most confidential technical information in the hands of McLaren's chief designer," the spokesman told The Times. "Under the circumstances, the suggestion that the FIA's ongoing investigation is about anything other than the pursuit of sporting fairness demonstrates a blinding refusal to accept the basic facts."

Meanwhile, there is still no news of Jackie Stewart's planned libel case against Max Mosley, after the Englishman said the Scot was a "certified half-wit" following comments the three-time World Champion made in reference to the way in which the FIA handled the McLaren spy saga.


El articulo en cuestion http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/for...icle2414580.ece

[MIKE WATT.]

Vaya, vaya, vaya.

As a result of the investigations carried out by the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile it has become clear that Ferrari information was more widely disseminated within McLaren than was previously communicated. McLaren greatly regrets that its own investigations did not identify this material and has written to the World Motor Sport Council to apologise for this.

McLaren has written a http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/pdf/Max-Mosley-and-WMSC-members.pdf[URL-NOMBRE]letter to the FIA which in the interests of transparency it is publishing with this press statement. That letter speaks for itself and the sentiments expressed in it are sincerely held by McLaren. McLaren has also written to the World Motor Sport Council to apologise that it has taken an FIA investigation to find this information and have expressed our deep regret that our understanding of the facts was improved as a result of the FIA inspection rather than our own investigations. McLaren has recognised that this entire situation could have been avoided if we had informed Ferrari and the FIA about Nigel Stepney's first communication when it came to our attention. We are, of course, embarrassed by the successive disclosures and have apologised unreservedly to the FIA World Motor Sport Council.

To avoid even the possibility of Ferrari information influencing our performance during 2008, McLaren has offered a set of detailed undertakings to the FIA which will impose a moratorium on development in relation to three separate systems. During the course of these incidents, McLaren has conducted a thorough review of its policies and procedures regarding the recruitment and management of staff. The proposals arising from this thorough review have been disclosed to the FIA and McLaren has agreed to demonstrate that all of these policies and procedures have been fully implemented.

McLaren wish to make a public apology to the FIA, Ferrari, the Formula 1 community and to Formula 1 fans throughout the world and offer their assurance that changes are now being made which will ensure that nothing comparable to what has taken place will ever happen again. McLaren have also agreed to pay the costs incurred by the FIA for their investigation.

McLaren now wishes to put these matters behind it and to move forward focusing on the 2008 season.

[`]

CASO CERRADO


FIA moves to close spying affair

By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, December 13th 2007, 18:05 GMT

The FIA is looking to put an end to F1's spying affair after expressing its intention to cancel next year's meeting of the World Motor Sport Council.

Earlier this month, the governing body did not clear McLaren's 2008 car and deferred a decision to February's meeting of the WMSC.

However, on Thursday McLaren apologised to the FIA and Ferrari, and accepted the Italian team's data had penetrated deeper into their team than suspected at first.

The FIA has responded to that saying president Max Mosley has asked the WMSC for permission to cancel February's meeting and consider the matter closed.

"In the light of McLaren's public apology and undertakings, the FIA President has asked the members of the World Motor Sport Council for their consent to cancel the hearing scheduled for 14 February 2008 and, in the interests of the sport, to consider this matter closed," said the FIA in a statement.

The FIA also made public a copy of the report by the FIA Technical Department to the World Motor Sport Council.

An FIA spokesman said an answer from the WMSC should come some time next week. [/b]

[pca]

Esto me parece muy importante:

we accept the central conclusion that some pieces of Ferrari information may have been disclosed via Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan, directly or indirectly to individuals within McLaren other than Pedro de la Rosa and Fernando Alonso.

aceptamos la conclusión central que alguna información de Ferrari puede haber sido revelada por Nigel Stepney y Mike Coughlan, directa o indirectamente a individuos dentro de McLaren otros que Pedro de la Rosa y Fernando Alonso.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64370

Edited by - pca on 13/12/2007 19:28:07 [/i]

[accitano]

Y que me decís a lo que publica autosport.com...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64369[URL-NOMBRE]McLaren apologise unreservedly to the FIA
McLaren have offered to impose a moratorium on developing parts on their 2008 car that could have been inspired by Ferrari intellectual property, after apologising to the FIA over their failure to realise how much data from their rivals had spread within their team.

And in light of an inspection of their 2008 car by FIA appointed officials throwing up the suggestions that the deployment of quickshift, fast fill, or the use of CO2 as a tyre gas could have come from the Ferrari information, McLaren have offered to hold back on developing these systems.

A statement issued on McLaren's website said: "To avoid even the possibility of Ferrari information influencing our performance during 2008, McLaren has offered a set of detailed undertakings to the FIA which will impose a moratorium on development in relation to three separate systems.

"During the course of these incidents, McLaren has conducted a thorough review of its policies and procedures regarding the recruitment and management of staff. The proposals arising from this thorough review have been disclosed to the FIA and McLaren has agreed to demonstrate that all of these policies and procedures have been fully implemented.

"McLaren wish to make a public apology to the FIA, Ferrari, the Formula One community and to Formula One fans throughout the world and offer their assurance that changes are now being made which will ensure that nothing comparable to what has taken place will ever happen again. McLaren have also agreed to pay the costs incurred by the FIA for their investigation.

"McLaren now wishes to put these matters behind it and to move forward focusing on the 2008 season."

http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=es&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eautosport%2ecom%2fnews%2freport%2ephp%2fid%2f64369[URL-NOMBRE]Versión traducida online.

¿Problemas para McLaren? ¿Le han pillado en la revisión del coche con algo que no deberían de tener yse cura en salud?

Saludos.

"[/I]Cada tanto viene bien una derrota[/I]" Frank Williams.


Edited by - accitano on 13/12/2007 19:32:25 [/b]

[MIKE WATT.]

Caso cerrado al fin!

Me da la sensación que la FIA ya ha conseguido la que quería.Ha multado a Mclaren con una cantidad historica y en la carta de ayer por fin admitían que la información la conocía más gente de lo que decían al principio.Y lo que es más importante piden perdón a la FIA, a Ferrari y los aficionados.Más no pueden hacer.

La FIA tampoco quiere/puede ensañarse más con Mclaren.Es el otro grande de la F1 después de Ferrari y más importante, es el "el grande británico".Por fin terminó este tema.O eso espero.

[pca]

deployment quickshift, fast fill or CO2 as a tyre gas for 2008

Creo que son esta tres cosas sobre las que hablan de moratoria en el desarrollo, sobre las que la investigación de la FIA ha visto algo (cambio rápido, llenado rápido (?) o el CO2 como gas en los neumáticos).

El informe de los técnicos de la FIA:

http://www.fia.com/public/mclaren.pdf

Las conclusiones están al final.

Edited by - pca on 13/12/2007 19:48:49 [/i]

[pca]

No los echan del mundial porque no quieren... ¿no?

...