PREVIO/CARRERA G.P. BRASIL 2007 Opciones

[Tess]

ALBERT eso lo comentaron y hasta cierto punto es entendible, pero por Dios te lo pido, no me digas que esa grúa ahí en medio no era un peligro tremendo para todos los demás pilotos, si hasta Luizzi chocó con ella.

Tambien hay alguna norma por ahí de que el coche para ser sacado tiene que estar en el sentido de la carretera (vamos que no haya que darle la vuelta) y a Jamiltón se la dieron.

Lo cojas por donde lo cojas, que para la Fia sea todo lo legal que tu quieras, para los demás no lo es, y de hecho lo han prohibido, mira tu que casualidad, hala majete tu sigue en carrera que ya se encargará la Fia de solucionarte la papeleta, bien sea con gruas bajadas del mismísimo cielo, o con safetys cars que te esperen varias vueltas para que no pierdas comba.

¿con que otro piloto se ha tenido tantísima consideración este año?, porque hasta los demás pilotos se quejaban.

Y ya lo de la ventaja, tela marinera, si que te quedes atascao y te saque una grúa no es dar ventaja a un piloto, entonces que Baje Dios y ponga orden, porque yo no entiendo nada.


Edited by - Tess on 02/11/2007 18:17:41

[Albert-230SL]

TESS, Liuzzi tocó ligeramente la grúa (tampoco exageremos, que parece que hubiera destrozado el coche contra ella), cuando ya había salido a la pista el Safety Car (= banderas amarillas y paneles de SC en todos los puestos). En estas condiciones, cuando ya está el Safety en pista, es cuando las grúas comienzan a trabajar... pues están protegidas por la neutralización de la carrera. Que aparezca un Liuzzi que no se ha enterado de la película, y que llegue hasta allí abajo en plan pastilla de jabón, era algo poco esperable, la verdad...

Pero bueno, ya discutimos bastante este tema (y lo creía ya "enterrado") en el hilo del Gran Premio de Europa ¿no? Es que hablar de esto otra vez en el hilo del G.P. de Brasil me parece Off Topic total. ¿Volvemos a releernos el del G.P. de Europa? ;-)

Saludos, y Pedro piloto McLaren-Mercedes 2008!!! ;-)

[ferchu]

Ayer, sobre las 2 de la madrugada hora esapñola, volvió a aparecer por el foro el simpático forero "LEWISFAST".

Solo quería mandarle un abrazo desde este topic, en el que se le ha echado muchísimo de menos.

¡¡¡PAYASO!!!

[Bobo]

Me repito, según las reglas FIA, pudiera ser posible el uso de la grúa, pero según la normativa laboral no.

Está completamente prohibido el transporte de personas con la grúa.
Fuente: http://www.mtas.es/insht/ntp/ntp_737.htm[URL-NOMBRE]Ministerio de trabajo y Asuntos Sociales

Es de España, pero me imagino que en el resto de países será igual. Sigo diciendo que me extraña que los sindicatos del lugar no pusieran el grito en el cielo y hayan denunciado a todo bicho viviente.


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[AVRACINGPDLR]

Gran respuesta. El transporte con grua esta prohibido.

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[Tess]

ALBERT que mu bien, que todo lo que quieras decirme, pero no me convences, esa grúa donde estaba era un peligro potencial para todos, estuviera el Safety-car o el mismísimo sanganchao iluminando a los pilotos, allí no se veía tres en un burro.

Lo siento, a mi no me convence, y de hecho ahora está prohibido (a buenas horas mangas verdes).

[accitano]

COURT OF APPEAL - CHANGE OF LOCATION
13.11.2007

Due to the transport strikes that are planned in Paris in the coming days the International Court of Appeal Hearing lodged by the Motor Sports Association (MSA) on behalf of its licence-holder Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been moved from the FIA Headquarters in Paris to an alternative location in London. The date and time remain unchanged.

When
10.00 hrs
Thursday, November 15, 2007

Where
SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP
Woolgate Exchange
25 Basinghall Street
London EC2V 5HA

Press credentials which have been issued for this hearing remain valid for the new location.
http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2007/November/131107-01.html[URL-NOMBRE]FIA.com

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Debido a la huelga de transporte que se han previsto en París en los próximos días la Corte Internacional de Apelación Audiencia presentada por la Motor Sports Association (MSA) en nombre de su titular de la licencia Vodafone McLaren Mercedes ha sido trasladada de la Sede de la FIA en París a una Lugar alternativo en Londres. La fecha y la hora se mantienen sin cambios.

Cuando
10,00 horas
Jueves, 15 de noviembre de 2007

Donde
SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP
Woolgate Exchange
25 Basinghall Street
London EC2V 5HA

Credenciales de prensa que se han publicado para esta audiencia siguen siendo válidas para la nueva ubicación.

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Saludos.

"Cada tanto viene bien una derrota" Frank Williams.
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[gargamel]

Estos de McLaren y el tio Bernie ha montado una huelga de transportes en Francia para que la FIA se reuna en Londres, mas cerca de casa Hamilton, para que en el caso que lo declaren campeon del mundo, no "salgan a gorrazos" sino "a hombros".

Si es que soy de un mal pensao

[cies]

Jajaja
que buena disculpa

ser
o no ser (campeon)
esa es la cuestion
(como en Hamlet aquí algo huele mal)

[MIKE WATT.]

Interview with Martin Whitmarsh

Q. What is this fuel rule all about and why is it important?

Martin Whitmarsh - McLaren F1 CEO: It has been around for about 20 years in fact, so it is not new. Cooler fuel gives an advantage in terms of more power, greater reliability and quicker flow of fuel into the tank. The teams even carry fuel chillers around with them to races to achieve this.

In order, however, to prevent extreme measures being adapted to cool fuel temperatures a limit was determined that the fuel in the rigs not being allowed to be more than 10 degrees C below the ambient temperature.

Q. What went wrong if this had been around for 20 years?

MW: The FIA has always, as far as we are aware, measured compliance by looking at the FIA timing monitors in respect of the ambient temperature and the on-board fuel temperature by measuring the fuel in the rig. This might not be perfect but it was the system and everyone knew it was the procedure that they had to comply with. In fact at each race the FIA make a report using these benchmarks and this is what happened in Brazil.

Q. Do you think McLaren have a chance of victory in tomorrow's FIA International Court of Appeal hearing?

MW: I don't want to anticipate the verdict of the FIA International Court of Appeal judges. Besides, it depends what you mean by 'victory'. Like all true devotees of motor sport, we would never like to see a World Drivers' Championship decided in court rather than on track. Finding a way to award the World Drivers' Championship to Lewis retrospectively is not at all, however, what this is about.

Q. So why appeal then?

MW: Because we were mystified by the FIA Stewards' decision. According to the FIA Stewards' own colleague, the FIA's Technical Delegate Jo Bauer, the Williams and BMW-Sauber cars were found to have been refuelled with fuel that had been chilled to a level below which we thought the regulations would allow, thereby giving a performance advantage.

The FIA Stewards, however, decided not to exclude those cars from the race classification. We didn't understand why that was then, and we don't understand it now.

So 'victory', for us, would be a clarification of the rationale behind the FIA Stewards' decision at the 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix - a clarification, indeed, that we regard as essential not only for us but for all our competitors, to enable all teams to race in compliance with the regulation regarding fuel temperatures throughout the 2008 Formula One season.

Q. Okay, but what verdict do you expect the FIA International Court of Appeal to record?

MW: As I say, it's not for me to second-guess the deliberations of the FIA International Court of Appeal.

Q. You say that what you're seeking is a rule clarification rather than a retrospective drivers' championship for Lewis - but surely a retrospective drivers' championship for Lewis is a possibility. Would you reject such a result, if it came out that way?

MW: We will abide by the decision whether we agree with it or not.

Q. But wouldn't it be bad for the sport if Lewis were awarded the drivers' championship retrospectively?

MW: It would not be good but we do all need to know how the rules and procedures will operate going forward. We ourselves lost a constructors' championship at the International Court of Appeal in 1999 when it was, in effect, retrospectively awarded to Ferrari when the ruling of the Stewards that their bargeboards were illegal was overturned. We were upset but we accepted it.

Q. Bernie Ecclestone had suggested that your appeal might be inadmissible, and that he hopes you therefore withdraw it.

MW: It's up to the FIA International Court of Appeal judges, not to us or even to Bernie Ecclestone, to decide whether or not our appeal is admissible or inadmissible.

Suffice it to say that when our appeal was presented by our Team Manager, Dave Ryan, to the FIA's Chief Permanent Steward, Tony Scott Andrews, in the Interlagos paddock, it was accepted. So Scott Andrews and his fellow Stewards clearly thought it was admissible. As, however, this doubt has been raised, it is also important that we have clarity over future procedures in this regard as well.

Q. Why did you not protest the Williams and BMW-Sauber cars as soon as it was known that there might have been irregularities with regard to the temperature of fuel with which they had been refuelled?

MW: Once the FIA Stewards had made their decision, it seemed to us ridiculous and inappropriate to protest the cars in question and cause the Stewards to repeat their deliberations - especially as Scott Andrews had readily accepted our appeal.

Indeed, the FIA formally acknowledged our appeal, and even published the provisional results of the 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix in writing as being "Subject to the an appeal of Vodafone McLaren Mercedes". Why, then, would we need also to lodge a formal protest?

Q. McLaren has been accused of behaving like bad losers in this episode. Do you reject that accusation?

MW: I do but I can understand some who don't understand the nature of top level competitive sport perhaps thinking that. In any serious sport the rules have to be clear. Any competitor who thinks they are not needs to get clarity.

Q. Is McLaren appealing the race result the only way to achieve that?

MW: We did ask the FIA to appeal or refer the Stewards' decision to the International Court of Appeal but it did not at this stage wish to do so. We believe therefore that it is, yes - and therefore, over the past few weeks, we have been assembling a comprehensive dossier of information in order that clarity can be achieved.

It would therefore be extremely unfortunate, not only for us but for our competitors as well, if, despite the fact that the FIA's most senior Steward had accepted our appeal when it was presented to him by our Team Manager in the Interlagos paddock, the FIA International Court of Appeal were to decide not to hear our evidence owing to a technicality - that technicality being that we should have lodged an official protest against the Williams and BMW-Sauber cars rather than merely an appeal against the existing FIA Stewards' decision.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63931[URL-NOMBRE]Link

[Anselmo]

¿A qué hora está prevista la fumata blanca?

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La decisión final del Tribunal de Apelación de la FIA en torno al supuesto uso ilegal de combustible refrigerado por parte de los equipos Williams Toyota y BMW Sauber en el pasado GP de Brasil no se conocerá hasta mañana, según ha adelantado hoy la propia FIA.

McLaren apeló en su día contra la decisión de los comisarios del GP de Brasil, que no impusieron ninguna sanción a BMW Sauber y Williams por el uso de un combustible que estaba por debajo de la temperatura autorizada.

De fructificar su apelación, McLaren conseguiría que Nico Rosberg, Robert Kubica y Nick Heidfeld, cuarto, quinto y sexto clasificados en Interlagos, fueran descalificados.
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En ese caso, Lewis Hamilton, que finalizó la carrera en séptima posición, ganaría varios puestos y le arrebataría el título mundial a Kimi Raikkonen.

BMW, McLaren, Williams y Ferrari han enviado a representantes a la vista que desde esta mañana a las 10:00h se está celebrando en Londres.

L.S.
Fuente AFP