Dennis, prodrive y demás rumores Opciones

[ferchu]

Joan Viladelprat en el Pais.com

"Cuando usted trabajaba en Fórmula 1, Pedro Martínez de la Rosa triunfaba en categorías inferiores. ¿Qué le faltó para llegar a un equipo puntero y luchar por un Mundial? ¿Cree usted que Pedro está aún a tiempo de llegar al menos a luchar por ganar Grandes Premios?

No tengo ninguna duda de que Pedro es un gran piloto y lo que le faltó fue la ayuda inicial en un país donde el automovilismo era aún un deporte nuevo para nosotros. Lo veo capaz de ganar grandes premios, su handicap más grande es su edad pero su mayor virtud es la experiencia y la habilidad para ayudar a un equipo para desarrollar un coche.
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No se moja nada, aunque sirva como un pequeño homenaje a Pedro.

[tenista]

Si alguien como Viladelprat lo dice, mucha gente tendra que agachar la cabeza.

[PEDRO_2008]

Mañana el tribunal de apelación tenía que fallar por el asunto de los Coches clientes, no??

Es eso cierto?? o al final se quedo en que no hacía falta??

Gracias, y un saludo!!

[Brian Syrup]

Sí, era mañana 24, pero hasta Pedro a prácticamente descartó la posibilidad de que entren en 2008.

Sempre Pedro! ARA SI!

[KIT]

Pues esté o no PRODRIVE... a ver que pasa con los AGURI y TORO ROSSO... porque me da a mí que ya la tenemos montada de nuevo con Max Capone y Bernie Corleone!!!

Es muy muy muy triste andar así. Que el deporte que mas pasta mueve el que más gente mira por tv tenga un reglamento de pena que lo aplico según sople el viento y que los que mandan no den una a derechas es muy muy pero que muy triste!!!

Estoy deseando ver que puñetera explicación ante el pollo que se está montando se sacan de la chistera el par de personajes!!!

Las audiencias abrán o no subido en TV... pero el prestigio de la F1 esta temporada ha perdido enteros a cada gran premio y esto es un CIRCO pero con don Pepito y don José!!!






Salu2 a todos y...
FORÃ?A PEDRO!!!

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INTERNATIONAL COURT OF APPEAL
05.10.2007
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The following hearing of the International Court of Appeal will take place in London:

Hearing

Further to the receipt of a letter from the Williams F1 team regarding the legality of the entry of Prodrive F1 in the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, the President of the FIA has made a referral to the FIA’s International Court of Appeal (ICA) under Article 1 of the ICA Rules of Procedure.

When

10.00 hrs
Wednesday, October 24, 2007

Where

Sidley Austin LLP
Woolgate Exchange
25 Basinghall Street
London EC2V 5HA

Decision

The decision is expected Thursday, October 25, 2007, in the afternoon.

Accreditation

Requests for accreditation must be sent by fax to the FIA Press Office (+33 1 43 12 58 18) on the official letterhead paper of the publication or other medium requesting accreditation.

The accreditation request must be signed by the Chief Editor or the Head of a Department (specify which) of the relevant publication, or medium.

The accreditation request must include the following:

i) the hearing and the date for which the accreditation is requested;
ii) name of the journalist and photocopy of his professional press card (currently valid);
iii) fax number to which the FIA can send an answer.

Applications for accreditation for the above hearing must reach the FIA before Wednesday, October 10, at noon (CET).

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Prodrive support appeal court move

By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 5th 2007, 16:02 GMT


Prodrive have welcomed the FIA's decision to rule on the legality of their entry to the 2008 Formula One world championship at an appeal court hearing later this month.

Following a letter from rival team Williams questioning the legality of customer teams in F1, FIA president Max Mosley has called an International Court of Appeal hearing in London on October 24 to rule on the matter. A decision is due the following day.

In a statement issued by Prodrive on Friday evening, team boss David Richards said the hearing would be good in confirming his team's position and ending uncertainty that has been spread by rival outfits.

"We are in no doubt that the sporting regulations for the 2008 Formula One Championship clearly allow the use of customer cars, which is why our entire F1 proposition has been based on this fact since the outset," he said.

"However, uncertainty spread by others, for their own interests, is not only harming the development of our F1 programme, but is putting in jeopardy those of other teams already committed to a customer car programme next year.

"Over the last 18 months we have committed a substantial amount of time, money and effort into developing our F1 plans. We are now at the point where everything is in place, however the fact that some parties continue to perpetuate the myth that there is uncertainty, in respect of the rules, is having a detrimental impact on the plans for our new team.

"We therefore welcome the FIA's decision to refer the matter to the ICA, as this position needs to be clarified as soon as possible. It is not only damaging to us but to the sport in general."

Prodrive are understood to have agreed in principle a deal with McLaren for a supply of customer cars for next year, but it hinges on confirmation that customer cars are allowed under F1's ruling document, the Concorde Agreement - something that will be clarified at the Appeal Court.

McLaren boss Ron Dennis said in Shanghai on Friday: "We have not entered into any contract with any team at this moment of time and if a team wishes to enter the 2008 World Championship and that team does not have complete clarity as to whether it is or is not permitted to enter, then it is a matter for that team and certainly not for McLaren."

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Prodrive face further delay over entry

By Jonathan Noble Monday, October 15th 2007, 10:12 GMT


Prodrive are to face a further wait on a ruling about the legality of their entry to Formula One next year, autosport.com can reveal, as the FIA postpones this month's court of appeal hearing, and rivals Williams vow to take the matter to the civil courts.

The FIA is to postpone this month's planned International Court of Appeal (ICA) hearing into Prodrive's 2008 entry for unspecified reasons, while in a separate development it has emerged that Williams are refusing to accept the court's jurisdiction.

Prodrive had hoped that the ICA hearing scheduled for October 24 would clear up the legality of their entry.

The court had been convened following threats from Williams to take legal action against Prodrive and F1 bosses if the team pressed ahead with plans to run customer McLaren cars next year.

But Prodrive's hopes that a positive outcome would remove the threat of legal action over their 2008 entry were dashed last week when Williams made it clear that they were not interested in the ICA hearing and only wanted to sort the matter out in civil courts.

Sources told autosport.com that Williams notified the FIA that they would not be held to account by the ICA's verdict. The team also made it clear they would not even be attending the hearing as an interested party, even though it was their action that caused the matter to go to court in the first place.

Although the reasons for Williams' stance have not been specified, it is understood the team feel that the matter of customer cars does not fall under the FIA's sporting jurisdiction. They feel the area is governed by the Concorde Agreement and not F1's Regulations.

This means the team would still have taken the matter to the civil courts, most likely through arbitration, even if the FIA confirmed in the hearing that Prodrive are allowed to contest next season with customer cars.

An FIA spokesman confirmed to autosport.com that the hearing was now set to be delayed.

"We understand from the Secretariat of the Court of Appeal that there is to be a postponement of the scheduled hearing," said the spokesman.

He also expressed some surprise at Williams' stance: "As regards the comments from Williams, they are of course within their rights to take this matter to the civil courts, but under the circumstances, as far as they have been presented to us, the FIA does not understand on what basis they would choose to do so."

Williams' views that the legality of customer cars are not governed by the sporting regulations does not appear to be shared by the FIA, with president Max Mosley having previously made clear that he believed the 2008 F1 rules do explicitly allow them. By signing up to the 2008 championship, Williams have had to accept the regulations.

Mosley told autosport.com earlier this year that he believed Article 19 and 20 of the 2008 Sporting Regulations set out the differences between constructors' and customer teams.

"At the moment the rules for 2008 completely allow them," Mosley told autosport.com about customer cars. "They (the regulations) make a distinction between the constructor and the make - and of course the points go to the make and not the constructor. Very few people have looked at the rules yet, but they will."

Article 20 of the Sporting Regulations states: "The constructor of an engine or rolling chassis is the person (including any corporate or unincorporated body) which owns the intellectual property rights to such engine or chassis.

"The make of an engine or chassis is the name attributed to it by its constructor. If the make of the chassis is not the same as that of the engine, the title will be awarded to the former which shall always precede the latter in the name of the car."

The current row over customer cars would be swiftly settled by teams agreeing a new Concorde Agreement, which is set to define the use and financial position of customer car teams.

Talks on this matter have been ongoing for several months and may not be resolved until the eve of the season, however.

Prodrive are hoping to resume talks with McLaren about running customer cars next year once the courts have given them the all-clear, although it is understood to now be too late for them to race with the same machinery as the factory team in 2008.

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Resumiendo la FIA segun el papel se reunia ayer para tratar lo de Prodrive y dar dictamen hoy... Richards dice que muy bien y una semana despues el articulo de autosport dice que esto se pospone hasta el mes que viene, pero lo logico seria que la FIA se pronunciara al respeto si pospuso esto.

[PEDRO_2008]

ICA meets to hear Prodrive legality
24 October, 2007

The FIA's International Court of Appeal (ICA) convenes on London today to hear the case of the Williams F1 Team regarding the legality of Prodrive's entry into the 2008 Formula One World Championship. Starting at 10.00 today, the F1 world will converge on Sigley Austin LLP, Woolgate Exchange, London.

In the hearing, it's expected that Williams will argue against Prodrive's inclusion in next year's championship as a customer team, with the Grove-based squad likely to cite the current Concorde Agreement, which states that all constructors must build their own car.

However, news has revealed that Prodrive may not have any options for 2008, after talks between themselves and McLaren broke down recently, leaving the team without a 'parent' team from whom to get a supply of fully built chassis and drivetrain. An alternative team has not yet been named.

A decision is expected on Thursday, October 25th, in the afternoon.

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Pues parece que el futuro de Pêdro esta en juego y el resultado puede estar en el dia de mañana....



Edited by - ` on 24/10/2007 13:07:25

[KIT]

JOOODER... con el puñetero tema prodrive.

Decisión hoy o el jueves?...

Es para mondarse de risa por no ponerse a llorar.

Solo hay una posibilidad... si aceptan y es que tengan todo firmado y acordado como decia Denis en Brasil?... no?...

Porque está claro que si aceptan PRODRIVE, no van a tener tiempo de tratar con otro equipo y mantener patrocinios (inversion = estructura de equipo + material de equipo + posibilidades de exito + repercusión) así ya me diras TU!!!

Una cosa está clara... o Richards tiene todo muy atadito a falta de soltar el tema en cuanto den luz verde o el tio lo tiene crudísimo si se tiene que poner a buscar material a partir de la próxima semana.

Es una pasada!!! que acepten un equipo... porque supongo que para entrar se ponen una serie de condiciones y supongo que Richards ya planteo el ser un equipo cliente de otra escudería y que a raíz de eso la FIA o Eclestone no le dieran el toque para que espavilase o le dijeran que búscara otras fórmulas o que directamene NO LO ADMITIERAN si no es a partir de presentar un proyecto "aceptable o legal" ES QUE ES PARA FLIPAR!!!

Mientras tanto el que se vuelve a quedar a expensas de todo y todos nos llevamos el chasco los de SIEMPRE!!!





Salu2 a todos y...
FORÃ?A PEDRO!!!

[Kalbinsky]

Pues lo de Pro-drive, si el coche que les dejen va a ser el mismo "pepinillo" que llevo Alfonso en Brasil (y eso con suerte), se lo meriendan BMW (por supuesto), Williams y muy probablemente Renault, sin contar obviamente con Ferrari y McLewis. Enfin, Jaguar-2 y eso, insisto, con suerte.

[tenista]

KIT, estoy contigo, nos pueden las ganas de saber algo. Yo personalmente, mediante alguna formula, creo que lo van incluir.

Pedro, estaba muy tranquilo, algo sabe para bien o par mal.

[locodesk]

Que se sabe??
A que hora daran la sentencia?

[PEDRO_2008]

La respuesta es mañana!!

Saco unas conclusiones del tema!! Victor respondio a estas 2 preguntas!!

Nuki_alonsista - ¿Cree que es posible que Pedro de la Rosa tenga equipo el año que viene?

R - No, ahora está casi fuera de la F1 como titular para el año que viene. No lo digo yo, lo dice también él.


Vettell - ¿Dónde crees que correrá Alonso?
R - Bueno, ya me parecía raro que no me hiciesen la pregunta. El tiro puede salir para cualquier lado. Pero os doy una pista. Puede que en estos días, ToroRosso se venda a Ferrari y hasta puede que un tal Massa termine allí.

Que tiene pocas posibilidades, todos lo sabemos.... pero si ferrari compra Toro Rosso, es porque la FIA dejará tener coches clientes!!!! si no Massa no se va a Torro Rosso ni de coña!!

Por lo tanto eso quiere decir que el tema Prodrive, no está muerto, por lo menos hasta mañana, pero hay dejo una posible respuesta a todo esto!!





GARAPUA

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nada de prodrive en fia.com

WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL
24.10.2007
The World Motor Sport Council met in Paris on 24 October, 2007. The following decisions were taken:
FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
There will be a total freeze on engine development for a period of 10 years, starting from 2008. A change can be made after five years but only with the unanimous agreement of all stakeholders and following a further two-year notice period. Total freeze means that there will be no exceptions for development of certain parts of the engine, as is the case under the current regulations.
A number of amendments were adopted for the 2008 Sporting Regulations and the 2008 and 2009 Technical Regulations. For full details please refer to www.fia.com.
Ferrari’s request to supply two teams with engines in the 2008 and 2009 championship has been accepted.
Spyker’s request to change its team name to Force India has been accepted.
Following the judgement of the World Motor Sport Council on 13 September, a sum in excess of $50 million will be paid in December to the FIA. This will be used to establish the FIA Development Fund, which will assist the work of National Sporting Authorities (ASNs) in promoting the development of safer motor sport worldwide, especially in countries where the motor sport infrastructure is in need of support. Representatives from Mercedes and Ferrari will be invited to join the Fund’s board.


CALENDAR
2008 FIA Formula One World Championship
16/3 AUS Australia
23/3 MAL Malaysia
6/4 BRN Bahrain
27/4 E Spain
11/5 TR Turkey
25/5 MC Monaco
8/6 CDN Canada
22/6 F France
6/7 GB Great Britain
20/7 D Germany
3/8 H Hungary
24/8 E Europe
7/9 B Belgium
14/9 I Italy
28/9 SGP Singapore*
12/10 J Japan
19/10 CN China
02/11 BR Brazil
*Night race


congelacion de motores 10 años de locos

[monza2001]

A donde vas con 10 años de congelación de motores. Estos de la FIA tienen unas ideas de bomberos de alucinar.

Gora Pedro ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ [/b]

[`]

De traca que no pueda haber equipos clientes y andar 10 años con el mismo motor para reducir costes.

Por logica mañana... The decision is expected Thursday, October 25, 2007, in the afternoon. [/b]

[monza2001]

Esperemos que mañana a la tarde se le permita competir a Prodrive, porque si no las opciones de Pedro bajaran enormemente. Suerte para mañana.

Respecto a lo de los motores lo único que puede sostener esta norma es el ahorro en el desarrollo de los motores, pero está bien claro que lo que no se gasten en motores se lo gastarán en otras cosas.

Gora Pedro ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ [/b]

[ddmad]

respecto a lo de que ferrari compre toro rosso y sea un equipo cliente no se, pero tambien habia el rumor de que Texeira el dueño de la A1GP(que recientemente ha llegado a un acuerdo con ferrari para proveer a esta competición de chasis y motores) quería comprar un equipo de F1(Toro Rosso) y asi continuar su colaboración "especial" con ferrari...

Yo de todas maneras sigo confiando en ver a Pedro sentado en el MP4-23 y ya de cara a 2009 cuando McLaren fiche a Rosberg, si Prodrive puede competir que acabe allí.

[KIT]

Lo de los motores y las superideas de la MAFIA para reducir costes:

1-Se pasa de motores V10 a V8?... mande?... lo cualo?... eing?...

incluso para que los monoplazas no sean tan veloces, han perdido punta pero han mejorado paso de curva... en el computo global de vuelta y según el circuito AHORA son más rápidos que antes.

2ºUn motor 2 grandes premios. En teoría para reducir costes. Mande?... como?... lo cualo?... eing?... MAS INVERSION... en fiabilidad, desarrollo y sobretodo... ¿como mantener prestaciones augmentando el kilomentraje de vida del motor?... mas investigación, etc... en definitiva más DINERO!!!

Congelar motores durante 10 años?... vale entonces dentro de 10 años cuando compre un Renault Megane llevará el mismo motor que Renault F1?... por el amor de Dios

PROHIBO EL CONSUMO DE PSICOTRÓPICOS A LOS INTEGRANTES DE LA MAFIA!!!

Reducción de apendices aeródinámicos, bigotes y alerrones diseñados para todos igual y aprobados por la FIA. veriamos como los monoplazas se igualaban... pero precisamente ahí está el kit de la qüestion.. NO INTERESA QUE SE IGUALEN!!!


Salu2 a todos y...
FORÃ?A PEDRO!!!